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Alright all you Orks out there, need some assistance with starting down the Orky path. I'm currently mashing out all the faults with the list, but so far here's the idea. I want to have a completely vehicle army, with the only exception being the Warboss on Bike, and a single Outriders bike squad.
Warboss on bike
Troops: 6 squads of 3 buggies, 2 of 3 with TL RL, and some other go fast stuff
Fast Attack: a single 10 Ork squad of Outriders w/ powerclaw wielding nob
Heavy support: Gun Trukk Squads wielding Kannons and Zzap guns
What do you guys think? This isn't necessarily a win-every-time list, but one meant more for the have fun and be orky type of list. On the bonus side my troops are completely full, andnot lotsa points in Hq. Didn't really want to get into all wargear and stuff cause it's just a general Idea. The whole plan is to tank shock the living hell out of the enemy, as many times as is necessary to get them to run, then escort them off of the table. Against fearless armies, use buggy screen to deliver bike squad and Warboss into weakest part of enemy lines, then rip apart from inside out. As far as I can tell, this is an unbeatable Cleanse and Nightfight list, simply due to the fact that with squadrons if you run them 3 Deep, instead of 3 wide, the enemy can only hit first buggy.
I'm not sure I follow the "3 deep" makes the army unbeatable: If you're talking about blocking LOS, that only really applies to enemy units placed head-on. Anyone more than a few degrees to either side of the front of the vehicles will be able to see the others, assuming there isn't a lot of terrain blocking. Also, any sort of indirect fire weapon also doesn't worry about that sort of thing, and ordanance blasts are liable to catch multiple vehicles.
You also don't seem to have any sort of foot troops; I realize KoS all have to be mounted but what I mean is that aside from your warboss and your squad of outriders, you have nothing that can actually assault. Instead your relying on hitting stuff with RL armed buggies, which is a losing proposition given their BS. In addition, buggies, wartrakks, etc. are all pretty easy to kill and even sustained regular fire from bolters is going to chew them up. Why not take a mob or two of trukkboyz and give yourself some actual numbers to work with and play to the strengths of orks (KoS or footsloggers)?
Sounds like a plan, any suggestion as to the mob? or Nob upgrades with it? I did ask for ideas, and having them run 3 deep would give the other 2 more than half of the buggy covered, so hull down, highly raising survivability. I liked my first list more, but someone said I'd have problems with tanks, so ahad to add Zzap gun Trukks.
Warboss on Bike
18 Buggies, 2 of 3 have guns(Rokkit Launchas)
2 Squads of Outriders
And that would give me the ability to be on top of them 1st turn, if I go first, second if I dont. And charging in with 20 warbikes is nothing to be taken lightly, because they're not gonna get shot, I can screen with buggies, and that extra movement before game is key, So I can move into cover or if I go first move towards them, and move buggies to screen afterwards if they're not gonna make it to cc that turn.
A mob of Trukk boys is great and all, but would you suggest dropping a squadron of Buggies for it?
I would vote yes. You're paying a lot of points for 3 buggies which are 3 units which can be killed by many ordinary guns and which still can't hit the side of a barn. Personally I'd rather have a little more flexibility and add a mob of trukkboyz. Give the nob a choppa and a slugga (b/c you've given your other nob a power klaw; keep in mind that with those klaws they may reach the enemy first but they're going to strike LAST). Add a burna to those boyz and you'll have a power weapon, a good weapon against tanks, and a template weapon in one unit. Send them around a flank or charge them straight ahead. Put on extra armor, a force field, and a red paint job.... If you want to take a 2nd power klaw, then give it to the nob along with a choppa.
Guntrukks (especially mobile zzap cannons) are AWESOME IMO and a critical part of giving the KoS it's advantage.
Alright, it sounds like a plan. I'm just trying to go for the most Orky thing, and I think that 1 of the buggies not having a weapon is fairly Orky.
HQ: Warboss on Bike
Troops: 5 squads of Buggies
Troops: 1 Trukk Squad w/ Powerclaw and Choppa wielding Nob
1 Burna, Trukk with Turbo Boosta, Red Paint Job, Force Field, Grot
Riggers, Stikk Bomb Chukkas.
Fast Attack: 10 Warbike Outriders w/ powerclaw wielding Nob
Heavy Support: Zzap Gun Gun Trukk Squads
Better? I like the flexibility more, (Flexibility is key to winning, used to UM army) and when I playtested it with my friend (Lunch break today) the whole escorting the enemy off the field worked like a charm, played 1000 points in and hour and a half. Tell me what you experianced Orky ones think about the new mob idea
Also, I'm gonna add a gigantic scary Warboss and Huge Friggin' Nobz in a trukk(None in mega armor) after I get this conversion done Huge Ork Conversion Project
For the Nobs I'm gonna use Golgfag Ogre Bodies and Bloodbowl Blocker Torsos and Legs to make the biggest Orks ever. What do you guys think about a Trukk mounted Warboss and Nob squad? No Mega Armor and only 1 powerclaw
Intersting concept...no truk boyz?
I do not play KOS, though I have 1500 points of the weedy speed addicts. I always think you need boyz to carry you through to victory, but I play foot sloggin Goffs so any model count under 150 gets me nervous.
Buggies without weapons? Sounds a bit weedy ter me...Give your buggies a scorcha at least...red paint, armor plates, riggas. You'll get a 6+ save if hit, better recovery from being immobilized, and a 25" move. The scorcha is one of your best options with a buggy. It alwayz hits and if you hit a squad with light or no armor, the squad is toast. [10 models can easily fit under the flamer template]
A very fluff oriented speed kult, I like it. I'd like to see your finished list and models. Sounds like a good un ter me.
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Well, with the outriders special rules at the beginning i think that if you mount your wrboss on a bike and mob up with them more often than not he will be left behind. The warboss inna trukk sounds good, but firstly he will need his own troop transport option regardless of where he starts (with the exception of on a warbike) and that truck in an army of buggies is likely to be singled out by the enemy unless your careful.
I will try and screen everything with the buggies.
I'm not gonna add armor to the buggies, too many points, but the other stuff is to make it go supa-fast. There needs to be 1 Buggy in every squad with no gun to take the first Immobilization, or Destroyed result. I ran the conversion idea past all the local GW employees today, and they're pumped that I'm gonna do it.
I'm just not gonna run lotsa trukks with boys, cause I've seen what my army does to it, with the land speeder coming around to the side and blasting it with a multimelta...yeah, then there're little green things running all over the place.
For my boys I'm actually going to use Nob Bodies from 40K and GorkaMorka. The Nob will be an Ogre body, so when the squad actually jumps out, I want people to crap their pants, cause my orcs are just that much bigger than their guys, even marines.
What do you guys use for Nobz and Warbosses? After I saw the rulebook with the Ork picture in there I decided that the nob needs to be bigger.
That's sounds like a great idea for an army, but since buggies are not the strong point in an ork army u may want to have like 4 squards of trukk boys and have the buggies to support them, u would still have ur all vehicle army, u just have trukk boys in the trukks and u can have the warboss retinue in a truck also
It might not be the best idea, but that my 2 cents
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