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hiya boys, i've wanted to start eldar since i saw the preveiw on games-workshop.com (yay beautiful looking models). the two main models that cought my eye were the rangers and dark reapers (the farseer looks kickass too). anyway i just had a question about guardians thats probley been asked a hunderd times, are the guardians worth anything in an army or are they just there to take up space in the army? (this question is based for a shooty eldar army)
help would be awesome
Well as you know the eldar are getting a new codex.
The old answer that will last for another month or so is that guardians are actually good. And I mean "take six squads to the tournament" good. Why? Because they can move while fireing a starcannon. A common use for guardians were to field minimum sized squads with starcannons. They can use terrain incredibly effectivly since they can move and still fire and even if they should fall back they keep laying out MEQ death. Another popular use was having a larger squad with a starcannon and a warlock with conceal. This is a squad that could hang out in the middle of the board and absorb incridble amounts of enemy weapon fire, especially if a farseer was casting fortune on the squad.
I've done both and enjoyed both styles. Getting to fire all those shurican catapaults is really nice when you get the chance, especially before the new edition when rapid fire weapons only got to shoot once.
Of course when the new codex hits the starcannon is getting degraded to the stargun and the squad will have to have more members. (I don't have a codex by the way so I don't know all the details and prices). There is much speculation on the matter, but it looks like guardians may fall into disuse. Though some people like dire avengers, and it's easy to make the conversion.
Last edited by sunnyside; October 8th, 2006 at 20:49.
I wouldnt quite go that far. The new rules make Avengers a viable option, but I for one will still use my Guardians. The new platform rules let you put them in a Wave Serpent and the heavy weapons are due a price drop. The only downside if you see it as such, is the higher minimum squad size. Not an issue for me because my squads were 16 strong anyway, and the fact that a heavy weapon platform becomes manditory (I occasionaly took 16 man squads without a platform, to use fleet).
All that has really changed is a prevention of minimum squads with a starcannon, which is fair enough, guardians as meatshields was a bit unhealthy for fluff reasons and not as efective as I saw it. Other choices have been improved to make them worth choosing. My typical guardian set up just got cheaper. Relatively they may have taken a dip but ultimately they are still just as good (even cheaper) for most set-ups (ie bar those GW wanted to get rid of). Seeing as how they were the best troop choice before, this still leaves them as a worthy choice.
Besides I converted and painted plenty of the fe**ers, I still want to use them.
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For all we know now however, Guardians will be reduced to a supportive role on the battlefield. That is, you have a moderate sized squad with a heavy weapon that walks around giving supporting fire, holding objectives and the like. I think they will still be as good as or better than they are now.
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Heavy weapon platforms (tip: Make the weapons interchangeble) with Guardians make a nasty piece of work when supported with other units like Rangers, they pin down the target so then the Guardians can keep firing without fear of assault. The Eldar are all about units working together, as most arent very verseatile, i.e Dark Reapers excel at static heavy shooting, but are very weak in close combat.
So use aspects that complement the other, with mechanised or infiltrating close combat aspect warriors. Farseers are very useful for boosting a unit with their Guide power.
Good luck with thy Eldar! May the dice favor you! Oh, and Warlocks with conceal can help keep Guardians alive in the open for a bit longer too, and a singing spear can make a mess too. ^_^
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