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Since it is possible to take rending claws on HT and 'fex, what have I missed?
Isn't rending totally wasted on a monstrous creature (ignores armour, 2D6 vs vehicles)?
Be careful about fielding Rending Claws on Monsterous Creatures. Because of the way the rules regarding the extra D6 from being a Monsterous Creature are written, it can be argued that Monsterous Creatures with rending claws lose the extra D6 to vehicle penetration that they get for being monsterous creatures (because Rending Claws have a specific rule, and the MC entry states 'for MCs with weapons that have no specific rules').
The reference was made to keep power fist armed MCs from being overpowered, but unfortunately it also includes Rending Claws.
Scything Talons count as two close combat weapons, but are otherwise ruleless, and therefore the extra d6 is kept. Scything Talons > Rending Claws on Monsterous Creatures, auto-wound on a 6 or no.
Personally I reckon for the small points jump that Scything Talons are over Rending Claws, he ST's are the way to go on a Carnifex. Even a Hive Tyrant You are probably better off going with the extra attack.
When in close combat, it just seems to give them the edge in taking down larger numbers of troops. So you can avoid getting bogged down too much.
I think that the bonuses for rending don't outweigh the loss of the extra attack. There are times when rending can work for you but they are quite rare.
Just my thoughts
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I agree... A 'Fex has absolutely no need for RenClw, and although a Tyrant might potentiallly get some use out of it against high-T targets, it is better simply to take another set of ScyTal and aim the Tyrant at infantry units where RenClw are not needed. For high-T targets, shoot them down a notch or two at range, and finish them off with 'Stealers.
Ultimately, I view RenClw on Monstrous as a waste of a perfectly good bioweapon slot, not worth the points spared.
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I agree that rending claws are quite limited on monstrous creatures. Rending is only really useful when put to use with large numbers of creatures. I have considered the possible benefits of using a cheap Hive tyrant as a bait/distraction critter and rending claws would be an ideal cheap upgrade for it, I have an old Hive tyrant that would look the part too.
The only was I see rending claws appearing on Carnifexes is if they are being used as elites under the shock troops rule. The weapon combo being rending plus crushing claws. I think that two pairs of scything talons might be more cost effective.
the only reason I can see for rending claws on a MC is for bioplasma+ rending shots but those are lucky shots against skimmers.
Rending claws on MCs,
It's another example of how the nids codex is full of 'land mines', what I mean by that is there are lots of bioweapon/ biomorph choices that are possible in the codex, but are (practically) never worth taking. You'd think that because it is made an option there must be some circumstance where it makes sense, but this ain't the case. Well O.K., there are some circumstances when they do make sense (RC on tyrants if you're facing an army of wraithlords), but these are few and far between.
Other Nids codex landmines:
Bioplasma on MCs
spinefists on warriors
twin-linking Venom cannons
Rending on MCs is pretty useless. Its another weird thing that GW added on that doesn't have much of a use or is just silly, like auspexes which nobody seems to have found a good use for yet. (If anyone does, please tell me. I like to know that there is actually a point for everything)
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey