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No, this isn't a complaint about the current Phoenix Lord models, I think they're great and don't really need updating (with the possible exception of Karandras, his helmet is just too big and looks kind of silly). However, it would be nice if, after all this time, we could finally get a Shining Spear or Warp Spider Phoenix Lord. Obviously they have to exist, someone had to found the Shining Spear and Warp Spider Aspect Temples, but we've never seen them referenced in any of the fluff, they've never been released, and there seems to be no hint by GW that they ever WILL be released. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else here is also hoping that one day we'll get the Shining Spear and Warp Spider Phoenix Lords.
I thought phoenix lords were all aspects of khaine. If this is true then they're all present as shining spears are an aspect of khaines weapon and warp spiders little spiders than exist in the web way.
While the models are good they can be so much better with the improved level or artists employed by gamesworkshop. I would be nice to see improved models but there are other areas that need addressing.....Dark Eldar model range for example, most of them are hideous IMO.
I definitely want a Warp Spider Phoenix Lord, for the sole reason that he should look amazing. Taking in mind that the other P. Lords look about 10x better than their standard aspect, and the Warp Spider aspects (especially the Exarch) look the best out of the current aspects...I WANT A WARP SPIDER ASPECT!
AGLOCO - Earn money by browsing the internet!Originally Posted by Krevzi and Me
No, the Phoenix Lords are the original Exarchs of each temple. They each based their temple on an aspect of Khaine, but the Lords themselves are just the most powerful Exarchs who ever lived.
True.. but then all space marine commanders have the same stats as well. You could make a very convincing case that they shouldn't.
As I understand it, the Warp Spiders and Shining Spears are not one of the original aspects, and therefore do not have a phoenix lord. There must be an Exarch out there who carries the soul of the person who founded the temple.. but he's probably not old enough to be called a phoenix lord yet.
Even if that's the case it would still be nice to have a special character themed for Warp Spiders or Shining Spears. I know Shining Spears are relatively new and Warp Spiders aren't much older in terms of how long the units have been around, but that still doesn't mean GW can't retcon some fluff in to create additional Phoenix Lords (or equivalent Exarch heroes) if they wanted to.
the phoenix lords were taught by the original exarch, Asurmen. They founded their respective aspects. The founders of the Shining Spears and Warp Spiders aspects did not have founders taught by Asurmen and therefore do not have phoenix lords. You could make the argument for a strong exarch with phoenix lord like stats, but he wouldn't be a "phoenix lord"
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The Phoenix Lords we have rules and models for are Asurmen and his original students (yes, Karandras might not have founded the Scorpion-shrine but the studied under Asurmen still), the Eldar demi-gods of battle and warriors reveared and feared across the galaxy.
They are the most powerful ones, those who make most frequent visits to other craftworlds and those who is almost worshipped as gods.
They were the founders of the Eldar Path and is thus they are seen as the creators, fathers and mothers, of the entire Eldar life-cycle.
No other Exarch comes close to teihr status, and no one ever will.
Imagine if Lysander, Shrike, Blippy, Tigurius etc etc all had the same stats...
It really doesn't feel right - they're special commanders.
Space marines commanders are, like autarch, pretty variable as you get to buy all their dresses and ear rings etc.
Pheonix Lords are special and I just with that was represented.