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Guys, have any of you used Banshees, Dragons and Wraithguard without a Wave Serpent/Falcon and without dying? I want to know if they would be viable in my new army...
Dragons and Banshees, I'd think, would get eaten alive, unless you present other targets with your opponent's time... With their only mediocre save, things like Heavy Bolters, Railgun Submunition, Psycannons, etc. will make mincemeat out of them long before either unit can get close enough to the enemy.
Cities of Death, however, I believe they are viable. :yes:
Banshees and Dragons are not good at all at foot slogging. Waithguard are fine just not very fast (sometimes small problem other times a BIG problem).
But if your playing the right opponent and terrain is setup in your favour then any of these will work.
When you walk a squad of banshees or dragons acros the table, every gun get5s pointed in their direction. Though with fleet they are fast, they will indeed be eaten alive.
You need to make use of the terrain very carefully to let them across.
The thing is that there as just so many Ap 4 weapons around, almoast every army includes some, making it very dangerous to transport them withought transport .
I would suggest a wave serpant for the bansheees, since this leaves space for a farseer and alike.
A falcon for the dragons would suffice. a squad of 6 will destroy about every tank in game.
I also see that some people forget that falcons can transport troops.. boy does that cost them dear..:shifty:
Hope it helps
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Fire Dragons footslogging makes even less sense than Banshees. They can't use their weapons until they pretty close. They wouldn't have the mobility to do a surgical strike on a threatening vehicle. They really really need a tank for the win. Banshees, too, really, but that has been touched on a bit more.
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Any eldar unit can go foot-slogging when aided by fortune. Fortune makes them very resilient.
Its still not recommended for banshees and fire dragons though.
Fortune won't do anything if the guns being shot at the units have enough AP to negate armor entirely. It lets you reroll failed armor saves, not get an invulnerable save. For that reason, even if you use Fortune on Banshees or Dragons, it's still a very bad idea to have them out in the open without transport. Personally, I play Saim-Hann and thus I rarely field regular infantry, Wave Serpent or no Wave Serpent. Honestly, I think that Shining Spears will work fine for all your close combat needs. Anything the Banshees would be good for, the Spears would be too. They might struggle in every round of combat after the first, but they have a much, much higher chance of getting the target unit to break after just the first round. You wouldn't want to use them against horde armies like Orks or Tyranids, but then again you wouldn't want to use Banshees against them either.
And thats exactly why I said it still not good for fire dragons or banshees.
They just get raked down by heavy bolters.
For others like striking scorpions (or even cheap dire avengers) fortune will keep them alive and allow them to walk across the table.
Fortune still makes units remarkably resilient (4+re-rolled is better than being MEQ). Its just heavy bolters are a problem.
Fortune is at its best when you can GUARANTEE saves will be rolled, ie. Inv/cover saves. Like said, fortuning Guardians with Conceal, or jetbikes turbo-boosted will be very effective.
Banshees and Dragons don't get that, though. Course unless you're playing something terrain-heavy, ie. someone mentioned Cities of Death, which might be just OK, but since you want them effective as fast as possible and quick to respond, I'll still give them transports.