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I just got a look at the new Eldar codex. Now mind you, I havn't heard of what was supposed to befall of the Harlequins. (Since I am a Harlequin Player.)
Its just sick... Totally depressing. The damnation of Harlequins. Why does GW have to ruin them. Harlequins become a squad? And you upgrade units in the squad? Not to mention the fluff about the Solitaire which doesn't exist anymore. Im just sickened and outraged.
...Thanks alot GW. Way to ruin yet another army...
Originally Posted by The Loki
Don't despair, they will be getting a codex of sorts of their own! I am guessing it will be similar to the "Kroot Mercenaries" or other codexes that arent actually on paper. And if it printed all the better. Obviously you didn't read the new Eldar codex at all, the solotaire is mentioned in it (As being "the most dangerous of all the harlequins"...and "commands ultimate fear and respect"). While you might not like the fact that the new harliquins are a squad, you should know that they are now THE MOST POWERFUL CLOSE COMBAT SQUAD THE ELDAR HAVE. Many a player has put away their banshees and striking scorpions in favor of these combat powerhouses. I know they aren't the same as they used to be, they are different now, but different isn't always bad. The harlequins are still amazing, maybe even more now that their point cost is lowered, a unit of 10 with maxed kisses and a shadowseer costs 250 if I'm not mistaken, and that unit can kill an entire 1000 point army. I am not exaggerating in the slightest, the new unit wins games for you if you use them correctly. They can outmatch orcs and genestealers point for point. While I don't like what they have done to the deathjester at all (since they have made him almost useless), I am pretty happy with what they have done. I can use them in my newly reworked eldar army, and in a few months I will be able to field them in a force all by themselves. That's double the pleasure and double the fun by my math!
Thats all true frozencore, but that doesn't change the fact that the harlequins as some of us knew them are completely gone. I haven't looked at the entry myself but I do not believe that the new harlies retained their increased coherency rule. (Troupes could have models four inches apart rather than the standard two.)
The shadowseer and death jester are both single wound, and fairly expensive (and for many innefective in the case of the jester) models now with no access to the unique gadgets of the harlies. Death Jesters are now forced to act in a unit rather than be on their own, and no longer have access to heavier weapons that they turned into assault variants.
Also, if what you said about the fluff for the solitare is true frozencore then I'm a bit unhappy about it. They were one of the most feared of all the harlequins, not because they commanded fear and respect but because they had chosen a path of no return that led them to be alone and loners for all time. They became living embodiments of death, which was why they had the special rule that gave them so many attacks on the charge.
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I agree whole heartedly, these are not the same harlequins that I grew up with, they are not the same harlequins that I love. Basically all I am saying is that they have a place in my eldar army untill their new codex comes out, and with that I will hopefully be satiated untill it does. The soltaire does still have all of the old fluff, being damned to have their soul taken by Slaanesh, they are the only ones allowed to play the part of the great enemy, etc. I just didn't want to copy down the entire paragraph, call it laziness. The death jester as I said is useless now which a lament every time I field them or even look at my new army list. He was my favorite of them all; who else could do a flip and still headshot someone from 200 yards? While they obviously can't include all of the Harlie fluff they do have more information on them then they do all the other troop types, even Farseers, or any specific craftworld. Harlequins have three pages dedicated entirely to themselves alone, which doesn't include the places where they are mentioned in the sections about the different craftworlds and such, nor the section on the black library. Thats three times the information on any given craftworld or aspect warrior. All I am saying is that they tried, and before people start crying over it, which I have heard time and time again, maybe they should just wait and hold their horses (the models aren't even frikken out yet). And the stuff about the unit coherency of 4", while missed was never actually official. That rule was made based off of the fact that back in the day when troops in close combat actually needed to be in base to base contact the harlies were allowed to be 2" away. So when the rule change came about and any CC unit was allowed to be 2" away people just assumed (myself included) that they would be allowed to have a 4" combat range, but it was never actually made into an official rule (notice it says "experimental" on the harlequin codex by Gav Thorpe).
It's been brought up before, but I'll toss this in again.
The new codex doesn't destroy Harlequins as you know them. You know them as an unofficial codex. And they still are an unofficial codex. You could simply play them as you always have, by which I mean not at tournaments.
However now you have the option of fielding an army centered around harlequins if you so choose. Three squads are pretty deadly and use up about half the points in a 1500 pt game. You can fill out the rest with vehicles(fire prisms? that would explain the BS4 right.), jetbikes(with harlequin style of course), and maybe a phonix lord or two who can be a respectable stand in for a solitare.
Actually that sort of a list might not be half bad.
Harliquins in the Eldar codex are (I suspect) like Imperial Guard in the Witch Hunters codex: A small allied 'extra', not a whole different direction to take the list. Stick with the unofficial harliquin list until/if GW makes an updated official one.
As I've complained before, I think harliquins are going to become TOO common of a troop choice...I'll bet the next revision makes them less accessable or more specialized, which they probably sould be...the harliquins don't come at the craftworld's beck and call every time they have a few marines to kill.
Harlies as they appear in the Eldar codex represent a small troupe that comes to the aid of the craftworld in time of need. These Harlequins definately do not represent the diversity of the faction, since the Eldar 'dex is designed to represent craftworlds - we're lucky to be able to use Harlies officially now, I'm not concerned if I can't build a whole army out of them.
So it works fluff-wise and rules-wise for me; I'm not complaining. And yes, you can still use the unofficial codex to represent a force composed entirely of Harlequins, so it's not so bad.
I actually quite like what they have done with the Harlequins. They make them more usuable and less breakable. Their save is by far much better (I hated having no save in CC!).
Sure they are not quite as mean as they used to be and perhaps they might have been a better option being an HQ Squad that you could upgrade with some of the old wargear.
Shame their nades have been nerfed though, I always liked those rules... but one cant complain for the reduction in points cost.
The Shadowseers Veil of Tears I think offsets the 4" doohicky. It is exceptionally useful. I shall still be using my Harlies and probably more so now they are in the 'dex.
While im as grieved as the rest of you about losing my beloved killer clowns their is a bit of light. Using the Guardians with CCW and pistols as mimes and so on and so forth you can make a Harlie themed army. Tho personally i prefered my Ridiculed and Conceived useless army to dominate players bye getting my solitare into their flank turn one bwahahahaha. I miss the good ol' days of the harlies and i personally wrote GW a letter telling them were to shove thier new harlie rules.
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I don't see what the problem is. You couldn't legally use Harlies before, and you can now (To some extend). If you still want to use the old list, you can. Just not on tourneys, but that was never allowed.
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