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The other night I played a game using my Biel-tan-ish Eldar vs. an opponent's Iyanden-ish Eldar. He fielded an Avatar.
"Heh, my troops will be fearless when you get close," I joked. We agreed that that would be silly.
Then after the game I looked it up.
There's a line of fluff saying that Eldar are energized by the presence of thier Avatar. The work 'thier' seems to indicate your home craftworld in particular...but in the next line, the actual RULE says that 'any eldar unit' in range becomes fearless. It seems pretty straightforwards if you go with the rule as written.
One could go two ways on this. On one hand, it's kinda goofy for one of your own units to benefit the other side like that. On the other hand, the Avatar is a barely-controllable aspect of an Eldar god--not a craftworld god, but a racial one. So it may not be that odd that he benefits the other guys...Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows...er, sorry, wrong god.
And then there's the question of Dark Eldar, particularly after the Wargear book seems to throw them a bone by clarifying that Dark Eldar bikes are subject to all the same rules as Eldar bikes, a point of contention for a long time where the pro side maintained that of COURSE Dark Eldar are Eldar (and thus get the extra move in the assult phase)...well, it makes you think. Does the Avatar of Khaine give the dark cousins are warm tingly feeling inside too?
If anything, it would be a double whammy back. Having a god that you respect attacking you would shatter you to the core.Now lets run with this a bit. Avatar vs Avatar! The only thing i can think of to make sense of this is that Khaine is shattered in mind not only body. He seems to be energised by eldar warful thoughts and in turn makes his commrades fearless. So if khaine is comatos(or a vegetable) and is only running on a craftworlds war thoughts and the spirit of a sacrificed exarch, then it wouldn't be as wierd seeing 2 of them duking it out.
The rules on the otherhand would mean that both armies are fearless and as you said a case could be made for making darkeldar fearless as well. BAD GW BAD!
I don't know much about Khaine but I did read up on some of the background story from codex and rulebook.. one interesting thing is that the Dark Elves from fantasy do worship the Bloody-handed God -- Khaine. Also, I remember reading this from somewhere that the Dark Eldars were once the citizens of Eldar Empire long before the humans were born, but they travel and hide within the webway after the 'great cataclysm' that brought the empire to ruin and the near extinction of the Eldar race.. somehow they just got 'magically' corrupted like the Marines and Chaos relationship. :x
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This isn't really anything new - the same problem existed under the old codex, too.
And as for Dark Eldar, it wouldn't affect them. They're Dark Eldar, not Eldar. Sure, they've got pointy ears, but they're Dark Eldar.
Basically anthing in Codex: Eldar is Eldar. Anything not in the codex, isn't. Even if they're Eldar.
Basically, Dark Eldar does not equate to being Eldar.
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Personally, I'd roll with it.. It'd make the game really interesting.
Especially if you both fielded avatars..
I disagree. It doesn't make a lot of sense for your own units to be fearless because of an enemy's inspiring presence. He's killing your troops, for goodness sake!
From a fluff perspective, every craftworld has an Avatar, and its presence on the battlefield inspires its troops to fight harder. A rival craftworld's Avatar would therefore not be the thing that makes the Eldar fearless.
From a rules point of view, it seems to me that "Eldar army" in the codex means your Eldar army, not all Eldar armies.
the problem is that it doesn't say Eldar Army, it says any eldar unit
however, i dont support the idea of the enemy avatar inspiring your troops. In the fluff it says that when the avatar is near to being awoken, the eldar on the craftworld begin to have war-filled thoughts and think about violent things. It doesnt say that the eldar EVERYWHERE start having these thoughts. So in my mind just like the avatars warlust only affects his craftworld, so too should his inspiring presence.
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The problem is that the people who write the rules never expect people to play against someone playing the same army. After all, when was the last time you saw a WD Battle Report with Dark Angels versus Dark Angels, or Necrons versus Necrons?
There's a similar situation with the Chaos Codex. Technically, it's legal to summon your Daemons off of your opponent's Icons.
While the rules may support it, it's definetly not in the spirit of the rules. And that's probably the first reason why one should ignore this little technicality.
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