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Okay, so before you used to be able to take 5 Guardians and add a Weapons Platform to them to create a nice small squad of funkiness... now you have to take 10 and it doesnt include the bonus 2 guardians from adding a weapons platform...
So the question is: are guardians worth the points? After all, for less points & more hvy weapons you can take something else.
So: do people use them? After all Dire Avengers are clearly superior and appear to be favoured.
Spectacularly, the genearlisation "it depends what else is in the army" applies, however, I would say nowerdays no, as you point out DA have superceeded them, partly throguh improvements to Da, partly through the squad restrictions, partly throught the shot loss and point variants to HWs, notably star cannon and partly due to GW hype of DA,
That last bit will clearly fade, but generally no, I cant see guardian squads with HW are that effective any more
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Here I have to dissagree,
I use three squads of 10 all with scatter lasers. They provide a good advancing firebase which your opponent is going have to think about at some stage, most probably when they are on top of him unloading 60 shots of shuriken death. They also provide a nice fire magnet when paired with a wraithlord, this has a bonus effect in that people are gona think twice about charging them.
I am also a firm believer of the moto 'Troops win battles', I don't aim to flood my enemy with guardians, but I do intend for him to notice them while my other hard hitting units get stuck in. They also provide some comfort for me, I just could not go into a 2000 battle with 20-30 models on the board, I need some beef to my army.
I still think they have a place in eldar armies, particually semi-mech armies (which is the way to go)
I agree with $ick here, a solid base of 3x10 Guardians running around or standing in cover with Scatter Lasers is healthy for most armies out there. An Avatar goes very well with these, and they are cheap.
Warhammer Fantasy: Warriors of Chaos, High Elves
Warhammer 40k: Eldar, Space Marines, Orks
It really depends. But for most thing i don't like guardians (there endagered after all). The only real weapon I'd be open to them using is the shuriken cannon.
They do make a good firebase, but I'm not SO inclined on the 'Troops win Battles'.
Guardians don't exactly win battles (well, Black Guardians did) They CAN dish out some ranged death but sadly, like always, Guardians are just there to be the shields/distractions for the more elite aspects of the Eldar to stay alive. If you ask me, I don't like this. Guardians being the normal citizen. And getting killed every battle, no wonder we're dying out.
I like Guardian squads, but never in battles.
And yeh, sure Gaurdians can win a battle, maybe not deal the deadly blows of a squad of Banshees in combat or shoot to death a squad of Terminators like Fire Dragons, but their presence will often leave an opponent to make descisions in weather he should engage them or not....their very presence is enough to make a difference from a vehicle heading towards an objective or staying put to fend off against Gaurdians. My arguement is they do win games indirectly depending on how you use them (Meat sheild definately is not an answer to winning games)
That's especially true for Eldar. Everything planned from head to the end. I mean for eg. Orks you can always blunder out an unexpected victory. There's no such thing for Eldar. It goes to the plan or it doesn't.Then its like chess... real masters know the game is over a dozen moves ahead.
For me it is really the second guessing that guardians cause my opponents that makes them useful. No one wants 40 catapult shots coming at them if they accidentally get too close. They help force errors in my opponents tactics and eldar is the army made for exploiting such weaknesses.