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    Rangers and Kroot!

    I love the new ranger models but I found out in a previous thread that a list compiled of mostly rangers/pathfinders just isn't viable. Their vulnerable to cc, and because of that don't get to make up their points shooting. So, I came up with another unit I love...Kroot.
    The kroot should be able to shield my precious pathfinders from cc while doing some bloddy hth and shooting themselves. my troops will be pathfinders and kroot carnivores. Any thoughts on what I should take for Heavy Support?
    Overall I want a very stealthy, at-home-in-the-woods sort of feel to the army, stealthy rangers, stealthy kroot etc etc. So I like the idea of stuff like war-walkers, and maybe some camoflaged support weapon batteries. However, judging from the stat lines it doesn't seem that support weapon batteries are the best thing in the world, and war walkers are VERY vulnerable to just about every gun save a Super-soaker 150.
    Can anyone help me out with some ideas on how to build some anti-tank into my list whilst staying fluffy and effective? Note: I hate Aspect Warriors and Guardians. So, fair play options include wraithlords and I suppose I could be convinced that a tank or two could be stealthy with some cleverly placed shrubbery. And of course the aforementioned use of SWB's and WW's are fair game two. Thanks a bunch, Cheers.

    Note: Please include suggested tactics as this new eldar player is unfamiliar with the units of your strange and ancient race of quasi-futuristic elves...


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    why would you use kroot?

    Rangers are Eldar and Kroot fall under ht Tau Empire.
    You could use allies to get them but why would you?

    We have Scorpions!
    They to can infiltrate and are much betetr in CC.
    You could even use converted Kroot models and use the Scorpions rules.
    That way you don't have to use aspect warriors but still have a single list.

    About AT, some wraithlords with brightlances will do a good strick.
    Otherwise a unit of warwalkers with ML and Lances can be good as well.

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    He wouldn't need another list, he could just take a couple of units from the kroot mercenary list. I'd pick up some of those kroot snipers, for the same points as a guardian, they have sniper rifles and kroot stats! Its with the theme and works well with the rangers, meanwhile getting some ordinary kroot or vulture kindred as some close combat fighters. Striking scorpions are also in theme with the stealthiness and perfect gamewise, long ranged, very few but powerful shots complimented by very short ranged but very many close combat attacks.

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    Fluff wise a ranger list typically has warwalkers as heavy's, and maybe a falcon. I take 2 wraithlords in mine though, i just think they're better than warwalker's and give a lil more cc support if needed. War walkers can't do nething in assault, but they put out more fire power, but they're made of paper, i don't like things made of paper. I think its really just personal peference. A fluffy ranger list should also have vypers, but once again, they're made of paper and i don't like paper in my army. From my experience a fluffy ranger list is just too fragile to be viable against all comers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfwarden View Post
    why would you use kroot?

    Rangers are Eldar and Kroot fall under ht Tau Empire.
    You could use allies to get them but why would you?
    Kroot are cheap. For the points, you get a WS, S, and T equal to that of the Striking Scorpions. You only get one less attack, but can take variations, such as Kroot Hounds (even cheaper), or Vulture kindred, which are much faster than Scorpions. You can give a Kroot Shaper an Eviscerator (I believe) so that you can have that S8 power fist that you wish you had your Scorpions.

    You can get two Kroot Carnivores for one Striking Scorpion. That adds up.

    Also, Kroot are great at being a general harassment unit - their shooting is better than that of the Scorpions (simply due to weapons and volume of shots within 12"), once again they are cheaper, and they get an enhanced cover save in jungles/woods that Scorpions also do not get.

    Scorpions aren't that much better than Kroot at CC - for the same amount of points, you could have a Kroot squad that can almost match Scorpions in CC, and who can also outshoot them in the shooting phase. You just have to use them correctly - cover, etc.

    I wouldn't want Kroot to fight Scorpions in CC, simply because Scorpions were designed to fight units like Kroot - low toughness and little or no armour save vs. high volume of high strength attacks. You can't exactly compare them vs. eachother, but with Hounds, Kroot are a viable CC option and still rather good at being a general harassment unit.

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    Except that the heavy armour on the Scorpions allows them to stay in the fight longer, while they dish out more attacks. This expands what Scorpions can tangle with and win. It also allows you to concentrate more attacks in one squad-action, which can be decisive.

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    Well I have collected Eldar for many a year (well 3 which isn't really that much, but it was my first army and I'm only just 15, so 3 years is quite a long time for me) but, never have I found an Eldar player who might want to use kroot, even as an ally.
    In an Eldar army you have Striking Scorpions and Howling Banshees as the close combat specialists. Striking Scorpions are amazing for "Horde" armies, such as Imperial Guard and Orks perhaps, there is no reason to include these other alien lifeforms into an Eldar army. Howling Banshees are incredible for "Elite" armies, such as Space Marines and Chaos. I don't understand how you could possibly design any fluff that could actually work for a Kroot/Tau/Eldar army. It doesn't work because Eldar are all very superstitious and don't trust anyone. It just doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orcfishboy View Post
    I don't understand how you could possibly design any fluff that could actually work for a Kroot/Tau/Eldar army. It doesn't work because Eldar are all very superstitious and don't trust anyone. It just doesn't work.
    Quite simple, actually.

    Eldar are a "dying" race. Therefore, they would be much more inclined to use other races to do what they want... they've manipulated in the past, so what's to stop them from hiring a group of mercenaries to do their dirty work? Absolutely nothing. You don't have to trust someone to have them work for you.

    It's been covered many, many times before.

    @Kingwithoutacrown - this is true, but for the points you pay for the Kroot, you will simply have more wounds (translating also into more attacks and more guns), making it slightly more even. Kroot and Scorpions both have their place if you want to find a place for them, and Kroot are better as harassment units than actual CC monsters. With Hounds by their side, Kroot can certainly put a dent on someone with massed high strength attacks in CC, but they don't take hits very well. That said, you'll have more Kroot than Scorpions, so it'll be almost even, most likely.

    Each unit has a place, even one that isn't necessarily a part of your codex.

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    They don't necessarily need to trust one another to work together. Just look at the Imperium and the Eldar, neither one trusts the other yet they work together on occasions. The fact that the Kroot are paid mercenaries might also help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Triumph Of Man View Post
    They don't necessarily need to trust one another to work together. Just look at the Imperium and the Eldar, neither one trusts the other yet they work together on occasions. The fact that the Kroot are paid mercenaries might also help.
    Exactly.

    Look at it this way... you're a member of a dying race, who believes that everyone is inferior to you.

    Some random army says "hey, give us money and we'll die for you."

    Would you go and get your own people killed, or would you give these fools money (which is all but meaningless to you) to go and die for you?

    I know which one I'd pick.

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