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I need advice on creating a Tyranid list for use against Black Templar.
2000 points, 4x6 table, Take and Hold Gamma
Each opponent knows who he will be facing next and may make his list accordingly, so I can customize my list against BT and he will likely be customizing his against Tyranids.
What do you think I should use or avoid using? What do you think he will use?
i need to know 1 thing first .. what are the victory conditions? IE alpha gamma or omega match? in other words what are the victory conditions?
Gamma. Take and hold from 12" radius from center of board.
Hes going to be taking lots of anti fex units. Maybe some skimmers. Defiantly some terminators. My advice would be surprise him.
Take LOTS of stealers with EC (At least 3 units of about 10 and a broodlord with ret of about 6 (Scything talons would be good due to the small squad size). Back them up with plenty of spinegaunts.
Gargoyles would be good for skimmers/bikes if you have them.
Zoans for synapse and warp blast.
Avoid warriors. They are going to get chewed up.
Now for anti tank, you have the zoans but they are too unpredictable. Rending Raveners and lictors will help out here.
Now if im right and he's taken lots of high strength single shot weapons to deal with MC's, youve just denied him his glory and instead he's wasted these weapons as they will now be killing 1 stealer or gaunt per turn instead of downing your fex's.
my other bit is he will be taking lots of heavy bolters so maybe throw in a brood of hormies to tie them up
Black Templar are fearless. They also have some strange fall forward rule in stead of fall back rule. This can surprise some people at the speed that they come forward. If they take casualties in the shooting phase they must fail a morale save or move towards the nearest enemy. This really stuffs them up with heavy weapons. They are heavily CC oriented with limited access to long range weapons. Otherwise they are normal Space Marines. Take a few spore mines to hamper his advance and some long range weapons to disrupt his heavy wepons squads. Watch out for ass canons on termies & skimmers.
I agree totally with zergling, a biovore (or even just deep striking spore mines) will come into their own here. Have a couple land infront of his squad, then blast him so he runs strait into them and kabloom! Great fun! Another fun abuse of this rule would be to attack from both sides. This will seperate his forces as they will be forced to move toward you. Add gargoyles to the rear of his flanks and you've thinned him right out!
The hormies i wouldnt bother with, id just say the spineys had scuttle.
Black Templars are known for large units that travel on foot. They use their Zeal to close with the enemy quickly. Every time you kill a Templar, there's a good chance that they'll come D6" closer, so be careful.
The best thing to do is to abuse the Mixed Armor rule. Since the largest squads of Templars will include at least some models with a 4+ save, fire something like a venom cannon or whatever at the unit first until you kill a single model with a 3+ save. Once you've accomplished that, unload with as many AP4 shots (from a single unit, mind you) as possible into that squad, and watch them drop.
Also, as good as Black Templars are at close combat, they won't beat Genestealers. It'll take some work to get them into close combat without being shot down by assault cannons and heavy bolters, but if you can manage it, you'll be tearing the Templars up at their own game.
Finally, don't hesitate to Deep Strike a Ravener or something armed with a ranged weapon. If you can land it behind Templar lines, you can shoot at them, and they'll likely Zeal toward the lone Ravener, rather than the rest of your army. It might help to keep them off of the objective.
Good advice so far.
Also important is killing one full unit at a time. They can only "zeal" move once per turn per unit, so it's not like every casualty pushes them closer, just every first casualty per turn. Poor players fail to focus fire, and it hurts you here more than anywhere else.
Did u play this guy after? how did it go?
I've never actually played against BT so i'd be interested if u could write up a battle report (win or loose - still educational)
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