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Ok, im entering into the tyrannic war tourney and had a thought. 2000points gives you plenty of room for upgrades and the like, and I wanted to know your views on taking spinegaunts with the without number upgrade.
In small games id never use it, but for this I thought it might be worthwhile for holding rear objectives when the swarm was wiped out up front. What thoughts do people have for this?
I was thinking about that as well (***the hivemind starts to form***) and can't think of any negatives of the WON upgrade (I always found it useful & worth the pts) in a tournament environment but will give it some more thought.
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Yup...I've just set up my account and am waiting for SWC to activate it (can't log-in 'til then). Those negatives you refer to are IMO pretty minor (based on past battles vs. my 16yr old son & his mates) and won't put me off using the upgrade.
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IMO Without Number is worthless.
1. They reappear on your table edge. Nice and far from anything important on the other side of the table. Even with good fleeting rolls, it will take 2-3 turns for them to even shoot.
2. They're Gaunts. The only upgrade I'll ever take is Spinefists and thats because I have to.
3. The new unit counts as new VP. Seeing how they are only Gaunts, a few pop shots can add to your opponent's VP.
Though this is all theory as I have never used it but if you use it right it could be usefull though definatly need to play test it first.
Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.
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I would think it would be especially useful in games like recon where the goal either is your deployment zone or there is a goal in your deployment zone.
One thing about them is if you have to keep a unit in your deployment zone, you can have them die, then come back and get the points for controlling your zone while having the rest of your force spread out.
If you are on a small map, it can be amazing, especially if you aren't using VPs. I wouldn't use it if the map is going to be decently big though, I wouldn't take it. 4x4 is probably a good size for them though.
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Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
In a recent megabattle I was in it was Chaos vs. Loyalists. One guy brought Daemonhunters. It was decided that only the oponent directly across from the Daemonhunter would be able to get Sustianed Attack (the exact same thing as Without Numbers for minor daemons). In the end this swung it for him. He had pushed half way across the 48" board when the daemon packs came back on the table they really hit him hard and he couldn't make it out to help other Imperials.
In the end it was decided that if your opponent is in the middle of the board, Sustained Attack works wonderfully. If he had hugged his table edge and played defensivly it wouldn't have changed a thing. So I guess it really depends on how you play your games. If you can draw your opponent away from their edge (unlikely) it could be really useful.
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personally, I find it's better to bring more other things (either gaunts, other upgrades or other units) rather than spend the points on WON. The two main reasons being that in order to actually hold a table quarter (or any other objective) the gaunts can't be lurking (I'm pretty sure). That means at least one of your really important synapse units has to be hanging back as well. I can't think of any synapse that I would want to dedicate as my gaunt Sheppard.
The other problem, as discussed before, is they count twice for VPs, this means that your 50 point gaunt squad (just picking a random number) can suddenly be worth, 100, 150, maybe even 200 (depending on how many heavy bolters your enemy dedicates to slaughtering them).
I've used it a few times, and only once was it worth the points, every other time it was just a waste.