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    Phoenix Lords


    Hey all,

    I've recently been trying to catch up on Eldar fluff posted in the last ten years and had been trying to piece together characters with associated Craftworlds etc, in particular the Phoenix Lords. I know that their loyalty is to serve every Eldar Craftworld society who needs their protection/information most at the time and that any army can use any Phoenix Lord in a game but I was trying to pinpoint specific worlds that have been helped out by specific characters at one point or another. For example we know that Maugan-Ra has been closely associated with Ulthwé (Eye of Terror) as well as his homeworld of Altansar and Karandras has been associated with Alaitoc (Medusa V.) Are there any others I missed?

    A friend has also considered collecting a Beil-Tan based army recently and also wished to know if there were any characters named in fluff which were associated with this Craftworld. He obviously has constructed his own already but was interested to know anything more canonical/fluffy character-wise.

    Cheers for any help provided.


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    Why did no-one answer this???

    I don't believe there is any further connections between phoenix lords and favourite craftworlds. They tend to remain fairly seperate as the phoenix lords keep travelling.

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    Eldar fluff isn't exactly abundant, unfortunately - I don't read the novels etc., however I did hear someone mention in shop once that Jain Zar has been featured in the webway, and attacked some characters that were seeking out the black library?

    Fluff-wise, I would assume that Asurmen would be most closely associated with Alaitoc, as that's the location of the Shrine of Asuryan? And IIRC, Karandras came from Alaitoc originally, as he rose to defend the shrine from the Fallen Phoenix when he defiled it?

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    The Shrine of Asuryan is actually more largely associated with Craftworld Iyanden. So... naturally, Iyanden would more likely have dealings with Asurmen than some of the other craftworlds.



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    Generally once they transcended to PL status they aren't really associated with anyone anymore for any of them.

    They are fairly busy running about the galaxy intervening where they are needed so any of them can rightly be associated with pretty much any craft world. More the any other eldar they could care less the social or political views or history of who they're helping. If it's an Eldar races turf, it's their backyard as far as their concerned and it's their neighbors they're protecting. As far as I know, all fluff has them appearing only for actual conflict, though I think in a pinch if a craftworld lost ALL of it's Aspect Warriors of their aspect, they might show up for a BRIEF period to train replacements.

    Even on the cusp of dying their are still millions if not billions of eldar spread across the galaxy (not much to the billions+ of say Tau, trillions+ of humans [more if you count Chaos who aren't demons yet] and uncounted orcs/nids), yet only that handful of PL's.

    Right now with fewer then 6 billion only humans on our world, we manage more then 6 war combats somewhere in the world in a day. Imagine how busy their day planner must be.

    Except of course ole skull face, but it's been mentioned several times he's a bit of an oddball amoungst the group. While the rest are like warrior hermit monks practicing a neverending cycle of perfection, he's a bit less like that but some voodoo priestage thrown in for the mix, hence his going after his homeworld from the Warp. Then again though as far as I know his was the only homeworld lost like that, and so on top of him being unique his situation was unique, AND techincally while he was doing it he was giving Ulthwe a hand (so he didn't quit his day job) and generally being Phoenix Lordish.
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    few ties

    Most PL wander,

    A few like Fuegan and Jain Zar mention their modus operandi (that Fuegan hasn't been seen for a while but periodically emerges during a battle; that Jain Zar most frequently is seen checking in on her shrines)...but for the most part only a couple have direct ties to a particular craft world.

    Which is good, since then its not a fluff crime to field whatever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo34 View Post
    The Shrine of Asuryan is actually more largely associated with Craftworld Iyanden. So... naturally, Iyanden would more likely have dealings with Asurmen than some of the other craftworlds.




    Well Iyandens' main symbol is that of the Eternal Flame of Asuryan so it would make sense if the Shrine was located there. Thanks for all the help so far everyone, but I take it the two references I stated above are the only cannocial references to a Phoenix Lord's helping out a particular Craftworld.

    One other thing bugs me about Maugen-Ra or 'ole skull face' is that his home planet is specifically stated to his character. Considering the possibilty that he's been killed in place in battle, does the new person take up his birthplace as his own as well as his 'spirit'? It can't be that whichever new Maugan-Ra that pops up so happens to come from Altansar too because the original was the only survivng member (till recently). Can't remember where I read it (I'll try looking) but I'm sure it's true.

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