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hmm i'm thinking of adding some new units to my army you know ot give it a lil more flavour and variety and well harley are easy but there are a couple of units i'm thinking about and want some advice on
1/3 wraithguard i know there is a thread further down but i just want to know 1 thing in the end do they perform well enough to earn their 35 points and 25$ each?
2/3 fireprisms are they worth it i mean after all is said and done they are around 190 points and would it need a second one to reach it's damage potential/points
3/3 storm guardians i use to use a small unit with 2 fusion guns and haywire grenades to go a-t but now they don't have haywre grenades and they are no longer black so no ws5 with enhance to take on the enemy on equal footing so what use are they now? i mean what works for you?
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Firstly I think you need to take them induvidual points costs out ur post.
Wraith guard - No, just use fire dragons
Fireprisms - Maybe, I can't really say cos I never use them.
Stormies - Again, not sure, I use defenders, but stormies can be very usefull, depends how you play.
1 - Don't like wraithguard,too slow and short-ranged to make enough impact to reflect their points cost.
2 - A fire prism should really only cost 160,with holo-fields and spirit stones,so they are somewhat cheaper than falcons. They can do some terrible things too. I just think they're cool,so using them is cool with me.
A lot of people swear by their use,but others prefer falcons. Cheredanine is one of those,I think. Falcons can be a little more reliable since they have more shots,but a prism cannon can be pretty devestating when it hits.
3 - I don't like guardians at all,really. It just doesn't make sense to me that this nearly extinct race would send its civilians out to die,and that seems to be all that guardians are really good for.
Wraithguard, my only problem with these guys is that they take up an elites choice, you can however take 10 of them and a spiritseer as a troops choice.
Yes i know there expencive at about 400 points but give them a cover save and some close combat support and they WILL hold an objective.
Fire Prisms, the single best tank in the game, always take 2 or 3 if you are taking any, combining there shots gives reliability and MEQ killing power, dont spend anything on upgrades, maybe just VE cos a downed prism can still help out his mates. keep them cheap!
p.s they have range 60" for a reason keep them back behind cover and at long range
Guardians, its a matter of taste, they always die in the end but with fortune and conceal and 20 of them to start it may take your opponent a little bit too long to kill them
1. Wraithguard are good in a 5 man squad in a wave serpent and a warlock with a shining spear for a hit squad against characters and vehicles. Fire dragons are more cost effective, but against Monoliths or when you need more toughness WG are great. Also, Cities of Death and other small board actions WG are great. I would recommend buying them second hand though!
2. Fire prisms are great too, but are more vulnerable to damage, thus people liking Falcons more, but the prism cannon is nasty, you just need to take care to use cover to block LoS and otherwise ensure you get to shoot.
3. Storm guardians are fine as fodder or when you need numbers. Even "enhanced" the are best as an enabler rather then as shock troopers. That being said, they are great anti-horde with flamers and as the "bait" for your counter-chargers to decimate a CC foe. Dire Avengers can do that too, but storm guardians are a cheaper alternative. I use them, but not often.
Proxy some storm guards and see if you like how they play, same for the others. I recommend not paying retail for WG, but the new storm guardian models are nice.
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1. WG : they are resilient, may be good as a fire sponge, hiding a farseer in their midst. They do not achieve much because they are slow and short-ranged. So do not bet too much on them. On the other hand they do give a lot of character, are "unusual" so can trick your opponent. If you use Wraithlords they can "share" the cost of a Spiritseer...
2. Prisms : they have disappointed me against MEQs. If you have a mech army (lots of Serpent, Vypers, maybe Walkers...) I guess they stand a better chance.
3. Guardians : I don't use them anymore (new Codex...) Only way I see them is in large numbers with an Avatar that makes them all fearless. Now THAT may give character to an army !
So, your 3 options give 3 different types of Eldars :
3. Fearless horde around a MC
Hope this helps you find your way...
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1) wraithguard are too slow and too expensive, fire dragons are much better in all aspects
2)i have only used a fire prism a few times and it hasnt worked well, all its done is attract heavy fire and blown up before i can make a shot, id use a falcon or serpent with bright lances, the weapon is one less strength but it draws less attention to your tanks
3) I have replaced all but 10 of my guardians with dire avengers. this is simply due to the fact they are better in every aspect; they have better BS and WS they have better weapons, better saves and the exarch adds something tasty into the equation with power weapons and the bladestorm power, and all at 12 points per model which is 4 more than a guardian but its worth it and always works for me to have a dire avenger based army
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I'm planning on using 11 sotrm guardians + warlock /w enhance in a serpent. Putting 3 wave serpents, 2 falcons and 3 vypers onto a board is quite fun.
It's 220 points to fill a wave serpent with storm guardians. That's not bad. Means you can easily stuff 5 or 6 tanks into 1500 points. And your opponent doesn't know which has storm guardians and which avengers.
I've only ever used a lone prism before, it's worked fairly well. I use it mainly for blasting deep-strikers or squads that just jumped out of a transport (a tank the prism usually blew up). Works wonders against fish 'o fury. 9 Fire Warriors in 1 blast! (then that last one wounded Jain Zar ).
Never used wraithguard so I can't really help you there. Maybe on Vassal one day I'll add some in a serpent to my skimmer horde.
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1) I only use waithguard in a wave serpent. They hold out better then fire dragons and can kill more stuff. They are also better at holding objects. I've found a group of fire dragons turns into a suicide squad... a very expensive suicide squad. But to each there own.
2) Fire Prisms. They are real good if used properly, they should NOT be played like a falcon. Keep range and strike the enemy. If you are playing on a 4" table (like at GW) they aren't much good, go for a tricked out falcon. On larger tables they are probably the best tank in the game.
3) I'm one of those eldar players that do not like guardians.
I really like Fire Prisms. The dispersed shot makes them awesome at stopping scouts from creeping up on you.
Wraithguard are funny if they're all the troops you have. Your opponent is going to expect T3 middle to high save units, and then wind up facing 20 T5 models with 3+ saves. Looks like all those Bolters or Cyclic ion blasters you brought are pretty useless now.
Storm Guardians, not a fan.
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