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hello people i am new to DE and 40k and these great forums.
i chose DE because not many others play DE and i really like the general playing style of DE. my main opponnents will be necrons, daemonhunters and SM. i havent bought any models yet but i was planning on buying
1 DE lord(archon)
and 2 dark lance warriors
i would probally put 10 warriors in one of the raiders, and archon with the incubi in the other. then with otehr 12 warriors i would make a tank hunting unit and i am not really sure about the bikes. Then from there probally buy a wytch unit and other raider
is this a good idea? around how many points would it be? does any 1 have any suggestions or anything else about DE i should know?
thank you very much and the help is greatlly needed and appreciated
2 of our standard loadouts for units:
10 men, including a sybarite with agoniser, 1 guy with a splinter cannon, another with a blaster. Mounted on a Raider left with its default Dark Lance.
They can hurt things in CC with the agoniser. The squad can take down a Wraithlord for pete's sake, and I'm not talking about having to be lucky to do it!
They can hurt tanks, with the Blaster and Dark Lance.
They can hurt light infantry a bit with their splinter cannon and rifles (remember, even though the rifles are low strength, they're on guys with good BS)
They can get where they're going faster than any other troop squad in the game, pretty much (don't bother listing exceptions people, I said pretty much).
All that for 176 points. (I won't mention their rubbish armour, or the fact that they're crusing around in a vehicle with toilet paper for armour. You're playing DE, that's a given)
The other standard loadout:
10 men, 2 dark lances. That's it. 100 points. Cheap, good BS, tanks can't ignore them.
Your basic plans seem okay, nothing in there that's useless. Wyches are certainly next on the list. After that, I'd go some Ravagers, and then whatever you want to add a bit of spice.
If you want good help, you might want to try posting an army list. Even if it's a long way off with lots of holes in it, it gives the experinced players on this forum a place to start with their advice (your description is okay, but army lists are easier for us!)
It's best to get maybe 3 units of warriors then 1 of each unit then build on that, but since you know who you will be fighting mostly then its probably best you get alot of ravagers, raiders, warriors and wyches. what you suggested so far is fine though, you will need that.
so go with what you suggested first.
cause your fighting MEQ(marine equivalent) these guys all have power armour and a good save, so firstly your gonna need 3 ravagers(disintegrators)
gonna need a few raiders cause you will need to be fast when fighting these types of armies.
1 or 2 squads of wyches and possibly get all 6 squads of warriors and another 3-4 raiders. but that will be over time.
by the time you have what you suggested you will have a fair idea to what you need next, play testing what you already have gives a good indication.
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k thx soooo much ppl, i dont have the dex yet but i am getting tommorow.
should i drop the incubi for now and get another squad of warriors or even wytches? then stick the archon with one of them(if archon can lead squads, sry i am not sure) in the raider?. also looks like i am going to buy a sybarite as well(does he come with a agonsier?).
ohh btw i read somewhere(on these forums) DE can ally with kroot. how does this work?
thx and cya
Incubi are brilliant, combined with a dracon and you have got the best killing rank and file in the game(slaughtering 10 man marine squads in a turn), not so good against some of the biggest beasties within the game but your dracon/archon can still handle them 1 vs 1.
incubi can still lend a hand with str4 power weapons though. the 2+ inv save makes the archon almost impossible to kill.
Wyches are brilliant too wyches are not so killy killy but in HTH they are awesome, they are a slow killing unit(will kill squads over time 2-3 turns) however they are the best HTH unit in the game, they got alot of sepcial rules in HTH, incredibly fragile against shooting but in HTH they RAWK!!
plus a drachite and archite are the best HQ choice in the 40k universe, incredibly fragile against shooting however a shdow field with 2+ save makes a huge difference even when shot at (try not to get shot though lol) combined with their wargear an archite will kill anything 1Vs1 with the highest initiative in the game its a force to reckon with.
with this said its up to you.
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I'm about to start buying DE as well, they'll be my 2nd army.
Would people advize that the battleforce is a good investment even if I did not plan on using the Reaver bikes? After reading the DE tacticas I was planning on going troop heavy so I had many disposeable threats. (Sniper squads and Wyches galore) The Raiders and mabey a talos would be the only "tanks" on the board, the Talos as a fire magnet.
I'm having real indecision problems in selecing my first purchases ;-)
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k thx again, but i am still not sure should i keep the incubi? or buy some more warriors,wytches or maybe even a ravanger? and is there any other units i should buy like a sybarite or any other models? and i will try and post a army list later today. and another quick question can a dracon or archon lead squads?
and a another big thing i need to know should i get a archon or dracon? i have read so much about both but i am really unsure.
thank you and cya
Last edited by emdeath; June 16th, 2007 at 02:53.
You get a single lord, which you can use as either an archon or a dracon. They don't have any given model for each of the, it's just "lord". Personally, I have several lord models for each of the characters I have in my fluff, mostly unique ones. None of mine use the actual DE lord models.
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keep the Incubi if you have already got them but they are a more specialised unit than Wyches I think.
In my opinion 40K be broken down into 3 main areas -
3) Armament or weapons.
The core of any army is its troops and these are your support base, numbers on the ground and of course a compulsory choice in the game. To me the support, in the form of Warriors, can act like ablative armour or extra wounds for special weapons like Dark Lances, Splinter Cannons and Blasters, can support or shield characters like a Sybarite, Haemonculus or Archon and if their firepower from basic splinter rifles helps out in the battle I view this as a bonus. By this I mean that I take troops as support into battle as a means of backing up special weapons and wargear.
The delivery system is achieved by fleet of foot, Raiders, Webways, Reavers and Skyboards. You choose how you want that particular unit to be moved around the table and this is particularly important because Dark Eldar are a “Shock Army” and in being so need to be timed for the charge and hidden in cover for as long as possible. The exception here is Wyches as they could class being in close combat as their best cover save possible.
The armament is probably DE’s strongest trait, we don’t lack the ability to take heavy weapons in numbers so make sure that you always take the maximum allowed in each squad e.g.
Dark Lance Sniper squads = 8 splinter rifle warriors + 2 Dark Lances
LargeWarrior squads = 18 splinter rifles + 2 Splinter Cannons
Scourges = 1 Sybarite = 4 Splinter Cannons
Well, you get the idea to max out in weaponary for every squad.
So when you design your Dark Eldar Army think support first, delivery method second and Armament third.
A good example of this thinking is in a Reaver Jetbike armed with a Blaster, you might use extra bikes as “wounds” to allow the more heavily armed blaster bike a better chance to deliver its payload, this is support and your first priority.
Then you have already chosen the Reaver bike as the method of delivery for the blaster attack, this is your second priority.
And finally you have chosen the Blaster as the weapon to be the primary attack, this is your final priority.
I order them like this because DE don’t lack weapons, its all too easy to arm things well but we do lack staying power and support and being a shock army we absolutely need the fastest possible delivery method available to us.
Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion and it seems to work well for me, Cheers.
P.S. An Archon or Drachon can attach itself to a squad and lead it but if it is a lone character without a retinue I don't normally do this.
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