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    Well, I had some question about this so in early January I sent them an email and here was their answer, along with my email.

    My original email:

    To: RoolzBoyz
    Subject: TMC vs MC in the TAR


    I've been reading a lot about this online and there appears to be a huge
    fight about it. I would be surprised if nobody has actually asked you
    guys
    the question yet but as noone seems to post their question with your
    answer,
    here goes:

    In the new Assault Rules from the Chapter Approved 04, even though it
    does
    state that Monstrous Creatures and Independant Characters cannot allocat
    attacks to specific models in close combat, it does not specifically
    state
    that Tyranid Monsterous Creatures can't either.

    My question is: Can Tyranid Monsterous Creatures still allocate their
    attacks
    to specific models in close combat?

    Thanks
    The GW reply:

    As the Tyranid Monstrous Creatures have special rules stating that
    they can choose their opponent, these supercede the Trial Assault Rules.

    Also, While we appreciate your taking the time to write to us, we can no
    longer answer rules questions via email. Please call us at
    1-800-394-4263 and we will gladly help you work your way through your
    query.

    Thanks,

    Jeff "Mkauley" Cauley
    Direct Sales Hobby Specialist

    (... snip some ...)
    (No roolzboyz judgement is official until it is printed in Chapter
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    So crush those silly Power Fisters!

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    Yet another roolboy who did not know what he was talking about.

    The newest rules always take precedence, the TAR are newer than codex tyranids.

    Also note that ANDY CHAMBERS said in the WD article which introduced the TAR that TMCs no longer can allocate their attacks to specific models.

    jwu

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    Uh, the TAR would supercede if it mentioned TMCs, but it doesn't... That's the problem. No matter what AC has said in some article somewhere, the TAR wording doesn't affect TMCs in any way.

    But we've discussed this one already, haven't we?

    But one shouldn't blindly trust Rulezboyz. The cumulative knowledge on this very board is more than a match for the musings of some underpaid mailorder worker... Send them the same question 5 times, and You can get 5 different answers.
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    Ugh. You know, the whole TAR affecting not affecting TMC is a HUGE diffirence.

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    hey the rool boy said it so lets just believe him. Anyway wouldnt a codex rules supercede the TAR as they are trial?
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    No matter what AC has said in some article somewhere, the TAR wording doesn&#39;t affect TMCs in any way.
    So you&#39;re saying that Andy Chamber&#39;s word doesn&#39;t mean anything?
    He directly said that TMCs can no longer pick off specific models, this works as a clarification.

    Besides, the TAR literally mention a carnifex as an example for what is called a MC in these rules, so the MC rules apply to TMCs.

    I really see no way to argue against that...

    Anyway wouldnt a codex rules supercede the TAR as they are trial?
    Nope. Once the players agreed to use TAR they become 100% official rules for the duration of that game, and since the TAR and that WD article are newer than codex tyranids they clearly supercede it.

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    As per the earlier discussion, Trial rules supercede Codex rules... Except in instances where the TAR makes no clear mention, like TMCs.

    They still need to clarify the rule, and we still harbour our own opinions. We have already discussed this same thing, lets not start again. There&#39;s no point, since nothing has changed.

    There still isn&#39;t an official, readily available GW clarification on the issue. Lets not dredge this thing up until there is, ok?
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    There still isn&#39;t an official, readily available GW clarification on the issue.
    I think Andy Chambers mentioning this in a WD article IS a clarification - you can&#39;t simply ignore it (as well as carnifices being mentioned as examples for "MC"s in the TAR)...

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    Just use whatever house rules you used before the TAR. My nearest gw lets the TMC&#39;s kill what they like, but the other store i use sometimes doesnt
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    Originally posted by ArchonAstaroth@Mar 5 2004, 07:11
    I think Andy Chambers mentioning this in a WD article IS a clarification - you can&#39;t simply ignore it (as well as carnifices being mentioned as examples for "MC"s in the TAR)...
    Come on AA, we already went through this... And I said that I agree with the implication.

    However, as I&#39;ve said earlier, the TMCs aren&#39;t mentioned in the TAR rules (only in Tactica articles) and that means the TMCs still allocate by the TAR wording since TAR doesn&#39;t actually change the way TMCs work, only ICs and MCs.

    Which WD? I certainly haven&#39;t seen it... And why hasn&#39;t it been put online? The only GW article I remember seeing was the TAR Tactica article, and Phil Kelly handled the Tyranids there.

    TMCs have the same benefits as MCs in CC. That&#39;s something given to them in the TMC rules. Furthermore, that part of the TAR list is a copypaste from the 3rd Ed Assault rules.

    As said, I do agree that Phil Kelly clarified the TMC issue. I do agree on the implication of non-allocation. However, by strict reading of the TAR (and disregarding potential copypaste errors), the TMCs still allocate, and that has NOT been clarified in any readily available source (Online CA or CA book).
    "The meat things seek to destroy ourselves. They hunt us as we hunt them but they are weak and uncertain. The inferior flesh will be entirely destroyed, all biomatter consumed. Ourselves will fight to the last, all weak flesh must be devoured."

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