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    Blackadder Proposes a Warmonger Titan of the Emperor Class

    Based on my research on the Krakow Nativity creches;

    https://www.google.com/search?q=krak...ed=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    I've decided to explore the feasibility of making a Warmonger Titan.

    The first effort will be modifications compatible with my Luteus Vexant Warlord Titan with completely interchangeable parts.

    The second part of the project will be a complete Warmonger/Imperator 'stand on it's own' model.

    The proposed height of the modified Warlord Warmonger will be 196 scale feet, about 60 scale meters tall or around 36 inches (0,91 meters. The later Imperator model may be a bit taller.

    Last edited by The_Blackadder; January 1st, 2015 at 16:26.
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    I propose you book yourself in for a psych evaluation before starting another Titan project.....

    ....because you are crazy as <bleep> to consider doing another one.

    But in any case, I'll be following your progress. Apparently I enjoy feeling like a lazy talentless modeller....
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    I've decided to attempt to try to make both a Lucius Warmonger which I believe is the smaller and a Mars Imperator of the Emperor Titans. I will be just adding switchable components to make my Warlord an Warmonger at my whim by just switching out the parts.

    Something like this:



    IPB Image

    The Mars pattern will be a total build but again the parts that make it a Mars will be detachable so the Lucius parts will also fit, again at my whim. That way I can have a Lucius Warlord and a Lucius or Mars Imperator or I can have a Lucius and a Mars Imperator. How 'bout that?






    As for the size my rule of thumb is each progressively larger Titan is 1.5 times taller than the previous so a FW Warhound is 10.5 inches and a FW Reaver is 16.5 inches actually so ballparking that I came up with 25 -26 inches for my scratch Warlord unfortunately the scale of the few bitz I used required the Warlord to be slightly larger so it ultimately came in at 28 inches. That would put the figures you quoted right in my average for the Emperor class titan of 42 inches where the Imperator would be around 36 and the Emperor around 48 inches tall. Lots of fudge factoring going on there but I do not want my Warlord too outclassed.

    And no; I categorically, absolutely, positively will not! not! not! be making the big Emperor titan..........

    probably.........

    Now I only have to figure how to live for another century so I can finish all these projects.
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    I honestly think you're nuts...but consider me subscribed!

    Your other project logs are fantastic reading and your modeling skills and patience are something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXClaret-PaulXx View Post
    I honestly think you're nuts...but consider me subscribed!
    You're not alone in that opinion..............

    You're other project logs are fantastic reading and your modeling skills and patience are something else!

    Paul
    Thanks for the reply............

    The squeaky axle gets the lube........ I have a few replies ready to post when I get responses.......

    Walking Cathedrals, Some Thoughts on the Construction:

    Never having taken any courses in art or design I probably have no business making this compilation of what I perceive to be construction errors that seem prevalent in many of the Emperor Titans 'Imperators'.

    First of all regarding size there is a limit of practicality where while a two meter tall Emperor Titan may be impressive it is hardly a playable piece unless the titan itself is the game board. Rather it will be relegated to the store window of your local Gamesworkshop where when that one is closed will subsequently be consigned to the dumpster behind the soon to be renovated store.

    Because who has the room for such an out-sized monstrosity?

    So I set my limit at 33 to 36 inches (0,83820 to 0,91440 meters).

    Next problem is the slab sided blockiness of the greaves, hull, carapace, and cathedral appurtenances; with out being specific by showing images of others work I will demonstrate with a minor area of my own construction.

    Back in the days of my initial Warlord build I happened to make the rear bulkhead of my Engineering compartment too square.

    http://i.imgur.com/nZH84.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/hN7XM.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/o9kIR.jpg


    The subtle tapering of the lower rear panel and the angling of the lower edge of the carapace rear differs from the square lower edge and panel of DS's exceptionally fine 'miniature' and to me is much more aesthetically pleasing.

    Next post please............
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    Thanks for all the replies to this false start, I apologize for failing to acknowledge your interest in this thread.

    Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    So with the blurb ten months ago about my proposal to begin an Imperator Titan I kinda fell flat on my face.

    First, finishing up the Thunderhawk monopolized a good deal of my time and learning how to best incorporate lighting in said Thunderhawk and my Warlord engaged yet more time. Then the Presidential election captured my attention almost to the exclusion of all things else. Finally I have returned to normalcy with what I consider a fabulous idea to make a hip and lower torso mount commensurate with an automaton of this magnitude.

    So we shall begin with the 'pelvis' which I found ready made on my local Lowes Building center where I purchased about six bucks worth of PVC pipe fittings A compression fitting Tee, a threaded coupling for the connection to the upper torso and two more for the hips connections.

    http://i.imgur.com/u2Jmn7x.jpg


    Naturally all this is quite utilitarian and looks exactly what it is, some pipe fittings and there are many titans that follow this procedure and leave the fittings as is. I intend to flesh out the assembly in styrene so as to hide all the piping that will only serve as an armature or skeleton for the model.

    In the image below you will get an idea of how much more robust this construct will be compared to the pelvis and hips of my Warlord.

    http://i.imgur.com/ZnV8V8v.jpg


    Where as Luteus Vexant has hips trunnions about an inch in diameter 'Invictus' shall have 1.5 inch axles.

    The beauty of this ready made construction technique is I shall be able pivot the waist and separate the model easily and hopefully allow the legs to be posed in a walking position as well as the spraddle-legged pose.

    http://i.imgur.com/4KsMObK.jpg
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    Pelvis Engineering Compartment Floor:


    This time I'm going to do it right.


    Since I already have an idea of how large this titan will be and the fact that I do want a full interior I will be able to plan the layout as I build. None of the hit or miss second guessing I ran into on the Warlord titan


    Below are the two pieces of the Engineering base and Pelvis 82 MM square with two center holes for the waist shaft 21 MM diameter. The pieces are 2 MM thick styrene, one of the few time I work with such thick styrene because of the difficulty forming it and the danger of a knife blade slipping and cutting your hand. Extreme care should be exercised when cutting 2,0 MM styrene


    http://i.imgur.com/zDkryhO.jpg



    The plates slip over the Tee shaft and have a clearance of 1MM on either side to install the 1 MM side walls.


    http://i.imgur.com/N0buMb6.jpg



    Eventually there will be nothing showing of the Tee but the compression fittings that will serve as the hip joint housing and also allow the legs to be removed to re-position for posing.


    You might want to try building along with this thread because I intend to offer a step by step tutorial at least for the basic structure. How you detail the model is up to you but I'll show what I consider an Lucius Pattern Emperor titan should look like and you can build your walking turreted cathedral if you wish.
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    Okay so I had some 3/8 inch box beams (Plastruct) laying about so I used them as spacers to thicken the construction and give it strength to boot. Then if I need to modify it later it will be easier to sand down instead of a solid block.


    http://i.imgur.com/a8Qgxh0.jpg





    http://i.imgur.com/FIQUh3s.jpg





    http://i.imgur.com/RwtL7aC.jpg



    http://i.imgur.com/LkzMGrT.jpg



    This all seems pretty boring and I hope to get into the fancy stuff soon. Right now giving this heavy model (My warlord upper body weighs seven pounds) a strong basic structure is paramount.
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    Wow, that's an epic undertaking. Looking forward to the progress

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    Thanks for the reply, these Emperor Titans must be popular.


    Basic Pelvis Block Complete:


    With this post the basic pelvis is complete. All that is left is applying the detail. I may bevel the corners and edges to add more pizzazz as I did on the Thunderhawk but all that is cosmetic.


    http://i.imgur.com/zJQSzyE.jpg



    The Epic Imperator is very plain and you can let your imangination run wild with the amount of detail a 3 foot tall model requires. I have a good stock of City of Dead panels left over from my Warlord and I have a Fortress of Redemption to decorate the greaves if needs be.


    http://i.imgur.com/2oMX14M.jpg



    I used 0.040 thousandths styrene to sheath the pelvis and sanded the edges smooth; there's not really much to say about the step except to take great pains to make your angles square and true. Good enough is never "Good Enough"; that's my motto.


    http://i.imgur.com/PUPtHYJ.jpg



    A few extra pains taken now will save you a lot of grief later.


    http://i.imgur.com/Jp3YsLu.jpg
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