1000 points very fast very small

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Captain Snowball

Discussion Starter · Feb 6, 2006 (Edited)

OK. I play alot of battles against my friends chaos tzeentch army and as some would be aware upgrading a chaos champion into a tzeentch sorcerer is expensive. As such his armies are always very small, magically orientated armies so i decided to try the very small specialised force myself.

HEROES:

Noble 1
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark pegasus
- repeater crossbow
- seal of Ghrond
- lance
- enchanted shield

182 points

Noble 2
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark pegasus
- wand of kharaidon
- enchanted shield
- lance
- repeater crossbow

197 points

Noble 3
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark pegasus
- ring of hotek
- enchanted shield
- lance
- repeater crossbow

176 points

CORE:

5 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- herald
- standard bearer

148 points

5 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- herald
- standard bearer

148 points

5 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- herald
- standard bearer

148

TOTAL = 999 points

NOTES:
Ok, the obvious problems are numbers in a few ways: How can i take on massed combat troops (skaven, empire etc) I dont have the numbers for massed combat (I.E. taking on dwarves or chaos).

My plan is to simply sit back and shoot at things. with a possible 30 shots a turn from the riders and 6 at BS 6 from the nobles i should be able to damage almost anything that comes at me.

If threatened by magic my nobles kick in. On their flying mounts they can go anywhere very fast. Also, as you may have noticed, one of them has the ring of sotek which means if he stays near enemy mages then miscasts are bound to follow. The nobles, on the charge, also have 9 str 6 attacks as well as the pegasus's 6 str 5 attacks, enough to kill any mage.

The nobles can also deal with shooty units, war machines, lone characters etc that may threaten my riders.

Because my army is so mobile it also means that combat orientated enemies will be hard pressed to catch me anyway.

Anyway thats the plan, comments/ideas/changes/criticism welcome

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Dark Pain

· #2 · Mar 25, 2006

At first glance your list looked like it'll get totally ripped to pieces by Chaos. But it could just work. I personally think that it could be a strong army against Tzeench in 1k battles. But it will take a while before those RxB's kick in. Why? Chaos has t4 and if his whole army is chosen (warriors + Knights) then youve got a 4+ to 1+ armour save to shoot through. With 30 shots on knights (hitting on ~5s, wounding on 5s and a 1+ Armour) you'll be lucky to kill ONE knight in one turn, and against warriors youll kill about 1 a turn. But you do have manoverability on your side. What i'm trying to say is, just cos all your shots bounce of very very thik armour, just keep trying and you'll weaken him. all it takes is for him to lose one Knight and a 2 of warriors with shields (all Chosen) and youve got your self around 87 VP's. just keep on trying untill you have a very weak chosen unit (half strength) and then charge it with EVERYTHING - 3 Nobles and 1or 2 units of Dark riders. You may begin to wonder if these guys were actually CHOSEN of chaos. But you have to be POSOTIVE you can break them, cos all your troops are impact and will get minced in lasting CC.

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Dark Pain

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Manu_Forti

· #3 · Mar 25, 2006 (Edited)

I agree with dark pain. although i hate cheesey lists.

anyway, i think you should drop the heralds and standards from the riders and only give them a musician. You arent really planning on having them see CC so the banner is a waste.. and the cost of a herald is NOT worth +1 BS on one model.. drop the standard and herald on every squad and only take a musician. Then use the left over points to boost 2 of the 3 squad upto 6 riders.

I have no idea where you got "6 strength 5 attacks" for the pegasis from?.. its 2 strength 4 attacks. and at just over 50 points, i dont think it is really worth taking 3 of them. if you only took 2 of them and gave the third noble a dakr steed, then if you could find another 30 or so points (maybe by only boosting 1 rider squad to 6) then you could take a unit of 5 shades. thats 5-10 extra shots

. (just dont bother with upgrading light armour or bloodshade on them)

Also, this is the first "shooty" dark elf army i have seen which doesnt include a reaper bolt thrower.. what gives? who cares if its not mobile, it would do this list alot of good. in my opinion.

I would like to see a more balanced list with some warriors and magic etc. but you have your heart set on this 'fast/shooty' army so i wont make anymore changes than stated above.

good luck defeating those mindless chaos brutes.
hehe, they'll be pulling bolts out of their asses for weeks.. :shifty:

Noble 1
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark pegasus
- repeater crossbow
- seal of Ghrond
- lance
- enchanted shield
182 points

Noble 2
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark pegasus
- wand of kharaidon
- enchanted shield
- lance
- repeater crossbow
197 points

Noble 3
- heavy armour
- sea dragon cloak
- dark steed
- ring of hotek
- enchanted shield
- lance
- repeater crossbow
132 points

CORE:

6 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- musician
151 points

5 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- musician
127 points

5 dark riders
- repeater crossbows
- musician
127

6 shades
84 points

TOTAL = exactly 1000 points.

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Dark Pain

· #4 · Mar 26, 2006

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I have no idea where you got "6 strength 5 attacks" for the pegasis from?.. its 2 strength 4 attacks. and at just over 50 points, i dont think it is really worth taking 3 of them. if you only took 2 of them and gave the third noble a dakr steed, then if you could find another 30 or so points (maybe by only boosting 1 rider squad to 6) then you could take a unit of 5 shades. thats 5-10 extra shots

. (just dont bother with upgrading light armour or bloodshade on them)

He got the 6 attacks because he'll prolly charge all 3 nobles at once. the st5 is because Pegasus on the charge get +1s (the big horn on the modle). I dont think a unit of 6 dark riders will be that much better, and theyre more manoverable in units of 5, but the shades are DEFINATLY a good choice.

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Master_Bungle

· #5 · Mar 27, 2006

For a start, Nobles can't carry the Wand of Kharaidon. They can't cast spells. Only mages can use arcane items. Other than that I think it looks pretty cool (and original). Opponents may get annoyed with the speed, but I wouldn't consider it cheesy really. For a start, all of your units are very vulnerable and you don't have many. Plus, it will require careful movement to win with. I like it :yes: . Only problem I can see is a lack of magic defense (3 dispel dice is sort of ok, considering you can kill their mages pretty fast). I think it's good.

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Captain Snowball

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 28, 2006

Firstly, the wand of Kharaidon is NOT an arcane item. It is an enchanted item and is therefore perfectly accesible to a DE noble.
In response to the '6 str 5 attacks', Read the armies book. Dark pegasus have the impale special rule giving them plus one strength on the charge. As they fly they are more then likely to charge, there is also three of them hence the 6 attacks.
The whole point of putting them all on dark pegasus's was to enable them to sufficently outnumber a unit, negate ranks if charged correctly and to complement each other with their various magical items.
If all 3 are in combat it also means that none of them can be singled out and destroyed one by one, you either kill them all or die.
I like the idea of getting rid of the standards and heralds though. That should give me almost enough for 2 more dark riders....nice.

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Master_Bungle

· #7 · Mar 28, 2006

Ah, I always assumed the Wand of Kharaidon was an arcane item, dunno why. My apologies. Thinking about the dark pegasus....I think I may try one out in my army......They look cool. And do you know what I just realised? I have exactly 55pts spare in my list! (I am so excited...).
Why not see if you can fit in a manticore? I dunno how (because you would be even MORE outnumbered) but having a terror causing dude in that army would be sweet!

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Captain Snowball

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 29, 2006

The problem with a manticore is that it is 1) expensive and 2) It takes up a second hero choice as well as the beast master. In my opinion, a cheaper and just as effective method is to stick the deathmask on a tooled up noble on pegasus. Lots of fun!

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Master_Bungle

· #9 · Mar 29, 2006

erm...a manticore doesn't take up an additional hero choice. A Black Dragon takes up an additional hero choice, a Manticore doesn't.
One thing I should mention is that I just realised that your nobles on Dark Pegasi (?) cannot negate ranks, as they are only US 4. Also remember that you cannot, for instance, charge a unit in the rear with 2 nobles on pegasi and expect to negate ranks, as the individual unit must have US 5 or over (I know it doesn't make sense, but there was a thread on it a while back and I believe that is what the conclusion that everybody came to was). So, the only unit you have that can negate enemy ranks is your Dark Riders. That means you will be relying on shooting an awful lot.... (Unless of course the conclusion that everybody came to on that thread was in fact different from what I remember, or wrong....:| ).

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Manu_Forti

· #10 · Mar 30, 2006

Im pretty sure manticore's DO take up a hero slot.

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Master_Bungle

· #11 · Mar 30, 2006

Yeah.....I just realised that this is a 1000pts battle...I forgot....I also hadn't looked at the Beastmaster much, but I now realise (and did so last night) that a manticore with a Beatmaster does indead take up 2 hero slots.....However, taking a manticore with a Highborn doesn't, and that is where I got confused. Sorry folks....:blush:

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