[GreyKnight6962]

Hey guys. Picked up some Eldar the other day and threw a list together. Here goes nothing. I normally play Guard so this is a little new to me.

HQ
Farseer
-Runes of Witnessing
-Spirit Stones
-Doom
-Guide

Farseer
-Runes of Witnessing
-Spirit Stones
-Doom
-Guide

Elite
Howling Banshees x10
Exarch
-Executioner
-Acrobatic
Wave Serpent
-Spirit Stones
-TL Brightlance

Troops
Dire Avengers x10
Exarch
-Dual ShuriCats
Wave Serpent
-Spirit Stones
-TL Brightlance

Dire Avengers x10
Exarch
-Dual ShuriCats
Wave Serpent
-Spirit Stones
-TL Brightlance

Heavy Support
Fire Prism

Fire Prism

Fire Prism

Well the plan is simple. Prisms crack open tough targets, Farseers roll with the Avengers and guide them. They'll each doom separate targets, one of which will be charged by banshees as well as being softened by Avenger shooting, the other will just be shot by Avengers, possibly hit with a Prism blast as well.

Advice on the list would be awesome. Tips for playstyle would be even better since I'm relatively new to Eldar. The room for error between Mech Eldar and Mech Guard is slightly different I hear =D

 

[EmoJosh]

This is a very standard Mech list except for the double expensive Seers and the double Banshees.

You need Dragons more than a 2nd Banshee unit, Blances are awful against AV14 in a real game.

A bit light on Troops, a 3rd unit would be good. Most people run Rangers, if you wanted to max out your competitiveness I''d make room for a SGuardian Flamer unit. Could easily afford it by dropping a few Banshees and making the Seers cheaper.

Grab EMLs on your Serpents, Blances just don't do enough. If you need armor killing for heavies get Dragons, Commanders with Pistols or Singing Spears for rear/side armor.

 

[GreyKnight6962]

Thanx for the quick response. Well, there's actually only one Banshee squad. I double checked to make sure I didn't copy paste them one accident, but I didn't. I suppose I can drop a prism and soften up the Seers to throw in some Dragons in a Serpent, but otherwise where would you suggest I find the points for Dragons now knowing that I do not, in fact, have a second Banshee squad.

 

[EmoJosh]

Hmmm my ability to read must have ran away. Maybe I scrolled to fast.

Personally I hate Prisms, they're way to easy to shake/stun and without Holo-Fields just kill outright. You can add Wraithlords or run Falcons and put Banshees/Dragons in them but Falcons are ho hum.

Eldar don't need Heavies to be competitive imo, you can just run Troops, Dragons and Seers with great transports and beat tons of armies.

 

[Gintoki]

Eldar don't need Heavies to be competitive imo, you can just run Troops, Dragons and Seers with great transports and beat tons of armies.

if we look at eldar as a giant meat blending machine: eldar HQ is the speed dial, troops are the conveyor belt, fast attack/heavy support are the tenderisers and the elites are the very very sharp and nasty blades that rip and tear everything that enters their domain to a pulp.

hopefully that explains Prince's point in a creative mannor that you can latch onto :dance:

 

[EmoJosh]

Well I just look at what the Heavies do and it's simple.

Reapers: Kill MEQs. DA's, Guardians, Banshees, Scorps and Avatar can all do this.

Prisms: Kills vehicles if linked and any infantry, usually if linked. Dragons kill armor better and EMLs do fine against weak armor. Eldar is rich with infantry killers so, not a problem.

Wraithlords: Shoots the same as a Serpent and is a speedbump. Avatars, Banshees and Scorps can CC better, they just can't hold things up forever but Eldar doesn't NEED that.

Support Batteries: Not good at anything they do on their own.

Falcons: A more expensive Serpent that's easier to kill and holds less, all for a relatively bad gun, Serpents outperform.

That's why I don't see Heavies as a must run.

 

[Gintoki]

Well I just look at what the Heavies do and it's simple.

Reapers: Kill MEQs. DA's, Guardians, Banshees, Scorps and Avatar can all do this.

Prisms: Kills vehicles if linked and any infantry, usually if linked. Dragons kill armor better and EMLs do fine against weak armor. Eldar is rich with infantry killers so, not a problem.

Wraithlords: Shoots the same as a Serpent and is a speedbump. Avatars, Banshees and Scorps can CC better, they just can't hold things up forever but Eldar doesn't NEED that.

Support Batteries: Not good at anything they do on their own.

Falcons: A more expensive Serpent that's easier to kill and holds less, all for a relatively bad gun, Serpents outperform.

That's why I don't see Heavies as a must run.

very true for mech especially because your already going to be right next to the opponent's models anyway so having long ranged units don't necessarily support your close ranged units as well as a close ranged alternative. however if your army is one that sits are mid to long range then the heavy support options can become an alternative (not a replacement)

as far as the list is concerned, i agree with prince in dropping the Blances they really won't make any difference compared to dragons against land raiders/monoliths, also if you are running 2 farseers have you considered picking up a fortune instead of guide on one of them and sticking that one with the banshees/DAs? (the unit that will take the most pummeling)

i would also drop one fire prism because 3 is slight overkill seeing as a double beam = S6 AP3 or S10 AP1 and a triple beam = S7 AP2 or S10 AP1, it's a waste to 3 link prisms onto things like terminators because a focused unlinked will do the exact same thing and those points could pick up a dragons squad

 

[MidMan]

Take all the bright lances down to shuriken cannons, drop the runes of witnessing, and drop a fire prism. That would give you points for a serpent (w/ shuricannons and spirit stones) and 8 fire dragons.

The farseers and the fire prisms are other areas you could cut back. If you dropped a farseer and the remaining prisms, you would have enough for a jetbike council, which would also be effective anti-tank. Or, if you want to go the troops route, you could fit in another DA serpent or a storm guardian serpent fairly easily.

 

[GreyKnight6962]

Screw it, lets go full on troops.

Doomseer

Doomseer

Banshees x10
Exarch
-Executioner
-Acrobatic
Serpent
-EML
Spirit Stones

Dragons x6
Exarch
-Tank Hunters
Serpent
-EML
-Spirit Stones

Dragons x6
Exarch
-Tank Hunters
Serpent
-EML
-Spirit Stones

Avengers x10
Exarch
-Dual ShuriCats
Serpent
-EML
-Spirit Stones

Avengers x10
Exarch
-Dual ShuriCats
Serpent
-EML
-Spirit Stones

Am I being too crazy here?

 

[EmoJosh]

How are you full on Troops? You have two. Drop down to 6 Banshees and remove the Exarch from both Dragon units. Either keep 2 Dragons (my choice) or 1 Dragon 1 Banshee. Put the other points into a 3rd DA unit or better yet 2 Storm Guardian units with 2x Flamer and Spear Warlock with Destructor, mounted as you have your units, and 1 DA unit.

That'd be a very original list I feel. Try to squeeze in Warding on 1 Doomseer.

 

[GreyKnight6962]

How are you full on Troops? You have two. Drop down to 6 Banshees and remove the Exarch from both Dragon units. Either keep 2 Dragons (my choice) or 1 Dragon 1 Banshee. Put the other points into a 3rd DA unit or better yet 2 Storm Guardian units with 2x Flamer and Spear Warlock with Destructor, mounted as you have your units, and 1 DA unit.

That'd be a very original list I feel. Try to squeeze in Warding on 1 Doomseer.

My inability to accurately articulate my thoughts late at night is very easy to notice in my last post. You're correct, I only have two Troop choices. What I meant to say was, Infantry, not necessarily "Troops." Nonetheless, I really like your idea with a few groups of Flameguardians. I agree, it would be an interesting and original list. In fact, I doubt anyone I play with would expect me to take a list with that kind of composition.

I'm studying for a final right now, but when I have a chance I will tool around with a list and post it up for comments.

Also, I looked at your Mech Council list Midman, and I am really interested in the idea. I may try and rework the whole list and incorporate them into my own list. I'm really unfamiliar with how they are used, so some pointers there would be really appreciated.

Thanx again guys.