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This is my first army ever, my first post ever too. I just started playing a few weeks ago and this is the end (so far) result of the practice games I've been playing with my friends. I want to get it at least reasonably close to good before I buy the models, so I'm asking for some help. It's pretty armour heavy, and for fluff reasons and play reasons I'd like to keep it that way. Any bashing of the army is GREATLY appreciated. I'll be inserting comments on why I've taken some choices throughout the list, hoping that whenever I have flawed logic someone will help point me in the right direction.
Doctrines
Droptroops I don't ever really use this, but it's a free doctrine so I have it in here.
Stormtroopers
Veterans
Close Order Drill
??????

HQ (65 pts)
-JO w/ Honourifica I need to figure out what to do with my HQ yet.
--4x Gaurdmen

Troops (425)
Command Squad Again I need to figure out what to do with these.
-JO
--4x Gaurdsmen

Alpha Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team I've found out that lascannon = good :yes:
--2x Gaurdsmen, Plasmaguns
--5x Gaurdsmen

Beta Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--2x Gaurdsmen, Plasmaguns Am I overdoing the plasmaguns?
--5x Gaurdsmen

Armoured Fist Squad
-Sergeant
--9x Gaurdsmen
--Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter turret, Heavy Bolter mount, Heavy Armour

Heavy Support (465)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Lascannon, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Lascannon, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire

Fast Attack (270)
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Elite (261) I've been having trouble figuring out how to balance the points between the three different elites, I ask for comments on this section in particular.
Storm Troopers
-ST Sergeant w/ Deepstrike
--2x Storm Troopers w/ Meltaguns, Deepstrike
--2x Strom Troopers w/ Deepstrike

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Meltaguns

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Meltaguns

Total Points 1486
In every game I've played so far I've found this to be a reasonably well rounded force, unfortunatly well rounded doesn't always win the battles. Just looking at the list I get the feeling that the power is unbalanced, and I'm not sure if that's ok. Again, any bashing of my list is appreciated, so have fun.
 

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Varrick said:
Doctrines
Droptroops I don't ever really use this, but it's a free doctrine so I have it in here.
Stormtroopers
Veterans
Close Order Drill
??????
Add Iron Discipline and Grenadiers, and then Drop Stormtroopers.


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HQ (65 pts)
-JO w/ Honourifica I need to figure out what to do with my HQ yet.
--4x Gaurdmen
Add power weapon (cheap),Standard, Iron Discipline and a Mortar, let this squad lead from out of LOS

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Troops (425)
Command Squad Again I need to figure out what to do with these.
Add 3 Meltas, or 4 Plasmas and Drop troop suicide missions to take out big Nasties.

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Alpha Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team I've found out that lascannon = good :yes:
--2x Gaurdsmen, Plasmaguns
--5x Gaurdsmen
You can only have one Plasma, but yes Lascannon - GOOD!!:)

Same with Second squad

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Armoured Fist Squad
-Sergeant
--9x Gaurdsmen
--Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter turret, Heavy Bolter mount, Heavy Armour
???? You need to have a HW in here. Add a HB in the squad, and a Pintle Stubber for 12 shots in total, (you can pop the hatch and shoot the HB). I would take a Lascannon, Vet Sgt and a Plasma gun, and start the squad in cover, using the Chimera as a light tank. I also think you mean Extra Armour?!?

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Heavy Support (465)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Lascannon, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Lascannon, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire
Add smoke to the Russes, and I drop the Lascannon for a HB in the hull. (saves points), otherwize - Great!

Sweet Hellhounds!:yes:

For Suicide squads, Veterans are better because they are cheaper and can have 3 special weapon. For infiltrating large squads, or Deepstriking to hold a table quarter, Stormies are better, but should be full squads of 10 with a Vet Sgt w/power weapon.

I prefer to have my platoon command squads drop with the Meltas, and I like Vet squads with Lascannons/Plasma Guns. A good troop choice is Grenadier Squad instead of an Armoured Fist Squad.
 

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Ok, thanks Diggum for the help, here's what it looks like now:

Doctrines
Grenadiers
Iron Discipline
Veterans
Close order Drill
Drop Troops

HQ (97 pts)
-JO w/ Honourifica, Power Weapon, Iron Discipline, Bolt Pistol
--2x Gaurdsmen Mortar team
--1x Veteran w/ Standard
--1x Gaurdsmen

Troops (451)
Command Squad
-JO w/ Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol
--4x Gaurdsmen w/ Meltaguns

Alpha Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen

Beta Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen

Strom Troopers, Grenadiers
-Storm Trooper Sergeant
--2x Storm Troopers w/ Plasmagun
--1x Storm Troopers w/ Meltabomb
--1x Storm Troopers
--Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter turret, Heavy Bolter mount, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Heavy Support (465)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire

Fast Attack (270)
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Elite (216)

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns

Total Points: 1500

This list looks quite a bit better, thanks Diggum again for the help. Any more comments on the army are still appreciated.
 

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Yes, a lot better!:yes:

Quick note: As you can't fire them and the Ordnance at the same time, I would drop the Stubbers from the Russes, and add some more troops to the Vets for "meat".
 

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Varrick said:
Ok, thanks Diggum for the help, here's what it looks like now:

Doctrines
Grenadiers
Iron Discipline
Veterans
Close order Drill
Drop Troops
Yep, all good there.

HQ (97 pts)
-JO w/ Honourifica, Power Weapon, Iron Discipline, Bolt Pistol
--2x Gaurdsmen Mortar team
--1x Veteran w/ Standard
--1x Gaurdsmen
Looks fine. Although considering this is your only node. A vox caster to communicate with the Grenadiers and veterens wouldn't be so bad.

Troops (451)
Command Squad
-JO w/ Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol
--4x Gaurdsmen w/ Meltaguns
Fine.

Alpha Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen

Beta Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen
Looks fine.

Strom Troopers, Grenadiers
-Storm Trooper Sergeant
--2x Storm Troopers w/ Plasmagun
--1x Storm Troopers w/ Meltabomb
--1x Storm Troopers
--Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter turret, Heavy Bolter mount, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
Problem here. I believe if you give one trooper a melta bomb, gotta give it to all of them. Really it's just not worth it. The chances of you assaulting tanks are low anyway (Unless you're running them straight at them, which is downright stupid). Also a vox caster won't hurt. This squad needs to be mobile and that will take them away from your LD node.

Heavy Support (465)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire
The stubbers are a waste of points. You should mainly be firing your battle cannon so it's wasted IMO. And even so, if 3 HB don't do it I doubt that the stubber is going to make much of an extra impact. Basically the points can be better spent elsewhere.

Fast Attack (270)
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
Excellent.

Elite (216)

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns
Big problem here. You haven't got a big enough "meatshield to keep all of the good weapons safe. If you want 3 plasma and 1 las, you need a full 10 man squad. A vox caster wouldn't be bad either as they may infiltrate to far away to benefit from the HQ.
 

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Ok so this is the much upgraded list. Thanks to both Triumph and Diggums for their help so far, if anyone else has more to say, I'll take all the ideas you have.

Doctrines
Grenadiers
Iron Discipline
Veterans
Close order Drill
Drop Troops

HQ (96 pts)
-JO w/ Honourifica, Power Weapon, Iron Discipline
--2x Gaurdsmen Mortar team
--1x Veteran w/ Standard
--1x Gaurdsmen

Troops (432)
Command Squad
-JO w/ Storm Bolter
--3x Gaurdsmen w/ Meltaguns
--1x Gaurdsmen

Alpha Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen

Beta Squad
-Sergeant
--2x Gaurdsmen, Lascannon Team
--1x Gaurdsmen, Plasmagun
--6x Gaurdsmen

Storm Troopers, Grenadiers
-Storm Trooper Sergeant
--2x Storm Troopers w/ Plasmagun
--2x Storm Troopers
--Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter turret, Heavy Bolter mount, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Heavy Support (441)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Smoke, Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters
-Basilisk w/ Indirect Fire

Fast Attack (270)
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber
-Hellhound w/ Smoke, Extra Armour, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Elite (256)
Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns
--2x Veterans

Hardened Veterans
-Veteran Sergeant
--2x Veterans Lascannon Team
--3x Veterans w/ Plasmaguns
--3x Veterans

Total Points: 1500
 

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Looks ok, although I'm a little iffy on the number of men in the veteren and grenadier squad.

The only other thing I feel compelled to comment on is your spelling. "Guardsmen" is spelt with U before the A. :yes:

But otherwise I believe you're pretty much set.
 

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Wow I feel stupid now.... guard. Guard, guard guard. Ok got it.
Yeah I've been worrying about the small numbers in those squads too, I'm trying to figure out how to move some points to them, if I do, I'll post the new list in a new thread. Thanks for all your help.
 
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