[Torden]

I need help selecting 2 of the 3 lists below, and maybe some tweeks to individual lists. I will have a chance to playtest some tomorrow night. Model limitation, I only have enough for the 3 units of GH below , 2 full BC, two 10 man WG termies, 1 ten man WG power armor, and two predators if I do not use rhinos. Guess I could add that I have (with my son's models) 4 LRC, 1 more vindicator, and another predator. Also, no TWC (not buying multiple Canis, nor do I like GW alternatives).

The Long Fangs below are all I have, though its a friendly tourney using WYSIWYG, but painting optional, so I have ML to sub in. I like Vennie dreads, but their extra points at 1500 game may not be worth it.

1492 pts, Models 54, KP 10

HQ
Herger - Wolf Lord (185 ) Frost Axe, Storm Shield, Saga of the Warrior Born Start with GH-A
Rethel - Rune Priest (113 ) Storm Bolter, Chooser of the Slain (nevermore) Start with GH-C or GH-B

Elites
Alpha Dogs Wolf Guard (119 )
---Roneth - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to GH-A (38 pts)
---Skeld - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to GH-B (38 pts)
---Weath - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to Blood Claws (38 pts)

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Darktreaders C - Grey Hunters x10 (155 ) meltagun x2
Crimson Paws Blood Claws x14 (210 ) flamer x1

Heavy Support
Overwatchers Long Fangs x6 (160 ) heavy bolter x2, Lascannons x2, Missile Launcher
Grisly Vindicator (150 ) siege shield, extra armor, storm bolter


1500 pts, Models 32, KP 9

HQ
Logan Grimnar (275 ) Assign to Fangrir in drop pod
Rethel - Wolf Priest (128 ) Termie, Storm Bolter, PW, meltabombs Assign to Mjolnir in drop pod

Elites
Brother Roneth, Dread (180 ) - Heavy Flamer, Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (140 ) meltagun, MotWulfen
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (140 ) meltagun, MotWulfen
Mjolnir (320 ) A – Wolf Guard x5, Drop Pod
---Rotheth Termie, wolf claws x2, meltabombs
---Skeld Termie, wolf claws x2, meltabombs
---Weath Termie, frost axe and storm shield
---Eskil Termie, chain fist and storm bolter
---Bolverk Termie, thunderhammer, storm shield & cyclone assigned to Gorefang (Grey Hunters)
Fangrir (265) B – Wolf Guard x5, Drop pod
---Bram Termie, storm bolter, power weapon
---Erland Termie, storm bolter, storm shield, meltabombs
---Folkmar Termie, storm bolter, power fist
---Gyrd Termie, storm bolter, frost axe
---Kjallak Termie, thunderhammer, storm shield & cyclone assigned to Razormane (Grey Hunters)


1498 pts, Models 38, KP 12

HQ
Ragnar Blackmane (240 ) Start with GH-A
Rethel - Wolf Priest (128 ) Storm Bolter, runic armor, meltabombs Start with GH-C or GH-B

Elites
Brother Roneth, Ven Dread (190 ) - Heavy Flamer Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod
Brother Skeld, Ven Dread (190 ) - Heavy Flamer Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Darktreaders C - Grey Hunters x8 (120 )

Heavy Support
Overwatchers Long Fangs x6 (160 ) heavy bolter x2, Lascannons x2, Missile Launcher

 

[jy2]

I need help selecting 2 of the 3 lists below, and maybe some tweeks to individual lists. I will have a chance to playtest some tomorrow night. Model limitation, I only have enough for the 3 units of GH below , 2 full BC, two 10 man WG termies, 1 ten man WG power armor, and two predators if I do not use rhinos. Guess I could add that I have (with my son's models) 4 LRC, 1 more vindicator, and another predator. Also, no TWC (not buying multiple Canis, nor do I like GW alternatives).

The Long Fangs below are all I have, though its a friendly tourney using WYSIWYG, but painting optional, so I have ML to sub in. I like Vennie dreads, but their extra points at 1500 game may not be worth it.

1492 pts, Models 54, KP 10

HQ
Herger - Wolf Lord (185 ) Frost Axe, Storm Shield, Saga of the Warrior Born Start with GH-A
Rethel - Rune Priest (113 ) Storm Bolter, Chooser of the Slain (nevermore) Start with GH-C or GH-B

Elites
Alpha Dogs Wolf Guard (119 )
---Roneth - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to GH-A (38 pts)
---Skeld - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to GH-B (38 pts)
---Weath - Power Fist, boltgun Assigned to Blood Claws (38 pts)

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Darktreaders C - Grey Hunters x10 (155 ) meltagun x2
Crimson Paws Blood Claws x14 (210 ) flamer x1

Heavy Support
Overwatchers Long Fangs x6 (160 ) heavy bolter x2, Lascannons x2, Missile Launcher
Grisly Vindicator (150 ) siege shield, extra armor, storm bolter

Don't give your RP stormbolters, boltguns or combi-weapons. If he's not using his psychic shooting power each turn, he's wasting his shooting. Also, trading in his BP means he doesn't get the +1A force weapon attack.

Give your wolf guards combi-meltas.

You need to get your Darktreaders GH squad a rhino. You may have to drop the EA on the other 2 rhinos in order to do this.

Your LF's should be 2x LC + 3x ML.

Get rid of all the upgrades on your Vindicator. Keep it vanilla. That's 35pts you have to play with there for your other upgrades.

1500 pts, Models 32, KP 9

HQ
Logan Grimnar (275 ) Assign to Fangrir in drop pod
Rethel - Wolf Priest (128 ) Termie, Storm Bolter, PW, meltabombs Assign to Mjolnir in drop pod

Elites
Brother Roneth, Dread (180 ) - Heavy Flamer, Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (140 ) meltagun, MotWulfen
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (140 ) meltagun, MotWulfen
Mjolnir (320 ) A – Wolf Guard x5, Drop Pod
---Rotheth Termie, wolf claws x2, meltabombs
---Skeld Termie, wolf claws x2, meltabombs
---Weath Termie, frost axe and storm shield
---Eskil Termie, chain fist and storm bolter
---Bolverk Termie, thunderhammer, storm shield & cyclone assigned to Gorefang (Grey Hunters)
Fangrir (265) B – Wolf Guard x5, Drop pod
---Bram Termie, storm bolter, power weapon
---Erland Termie, storm bolter, storm shield, meltabombs
---Folkmar Termie, storm bolter, power fist
---Gyrd Termie, storm bolter, frost axe
---Kjallak Termie, thunderhammer, storm shield & cyclone assigned to Razormane (Grey Hunters)

I don't know about this list. You're sending in 2 drop pods on turn 1 to fight against your opponent's entire army. You have no support for them because your GH's are too slow and your 3rd pod won't reliably come on turn 2. If you want to do this army, you have to do it right. Either all drop pods or make your initial drop pods sacrificial units like 2 cheap dreads or 3x wolf guards w/combi-meltas.

1498 pts, Models 38, KP 12

HQ
Ragnar Blackmane (240 ) Start with GH-A
Rethel - Wolf Priest (128 ) Storm Bolter, runic armor, meltabombs Start with GH-C or GH-B

Elites
Brother Roneth, Ven Dread (190 ) - Heavy Flamer Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod
Brother Skeld, Ven Dread (190 ) - Heavy Flamer Melta, Extra Armor, Drop Pod

Troops
Gorefangs A - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Razormanes B - Grey Hunters x8 (200 ) meltagun, wolf standard, MotWulfen, Rhino (extra armor)
Darktreaders C - Grey Hunters x8 (120 )

Heavy Support
Overwatchers Long Fangs x6 (160 ) heavy bolter x2, Lascannons x2, Missile Launcher

Get rid of the EA on your dreads. Scrounge up enough points to give Darktreaders a rhino as well. Change out the HB's for ML's. You may have to get rid of the EA on your current rhinos in order to do this. Double check the cost for your Vendreads, I think it's wrong.

You have 1 glaring weakness and that's psychic defense. You are at the mercy of lash, farseers and the myriad of other psykers out there. Consider a Rune Priest.

Of all 3 lists, I like #1 and #3 more, but I think #1 has the most potential.