[1500] World Eaters competitive

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Garnoth

Discussion Starter · Feb 2, 2006

Here's my new world eaters 1500 points list:

1500 Pts - CSM: World Eaters Army

1 Daemon Prince @ 157 Pts
Mark of Khorne; CC Weapon (x2)
Daemonic Stature
Daemonic Resilience
Daemonic Speed
Daemonic Strength
Daemonic Aura
Collar of Khorne
Daemonic Essence

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 203 Pts
Chainaxe (x7); Bolt Pistol (x7)
#Furious Charge

1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 203 Pts
Chainaxe (x7); Bolt Pistol (x7)
#Furious Charge

1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 203 Pts
Chainaxe (x7); Bolt Pistol (x7)
#Furious Charge

1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

7 Bloodletters (Troops) @ 182 Pts

4 Khorne Berzerkers Bikers (Fast Attack) @ 242 Pts
Chainaxe (x4); Combi-Bolter (x4)
#Furious Charge

1 Aspiring Champion @ [70] Pts
Power Fist (x1); Combi-Bolter

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 145 Pts
Autocannon; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 165 Pts
TL Lascannons; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

Models in Army: 39

Total Army Cost: 1500

The deamon prince was kitted out with spare points that couldn't go anywhere else. I took seven bloodletters so that I don't end up summoning them too early in the game.

What would improve this list?

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Arizzar

· #2 · Feb 2, 2006

Since you are probably gonna summon the bloodletters from your bikers it should not be a problem that they show up early. I would go with 8 letters and race the bikes forward.

You could save some points on the lord, especially essense seems like a bit of a waste... and those bikers should be a bigger squad. Also, furious charge is a nice skill, no doubt about it, but it makes your already expensive berzerkers even more expensive. And face it, they are already pretty deadly in cc. I would probably drop it and bumb the bikers up a bit.

Arizzar

Garnoth

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 2, 2006 (Edited)

I can drop furious charge on all the marines, that would grant my enough points for another bloodletter and another biker, but dropping essence will not free up ebough points for another biker. Should I just keep essence and go with 6 bikers (which is large enough I think), or should I drop essence and something else for another biker?

And what's your opinion on essence vs mutation? I think T6 3 wounds 3+/5+ save is enough protection, and 7 attacks on the charge is pretty nice.

And another thing, would you take aura or feel no pain, since feel no pain is more usefull against plasma etc., while aura is usefull against close combat attacks that ignore armour saves and S10 weapons. What is more usefull?

xrix1

· #4 · Feb 2, 2006

I would ALWAYS take feel no pain on a khorn statured prince, as it gives you an additional 4+ save against all ranged weapons that are less then STR 10. Las cannons, bright lances, rending assualt cannon hits, etc all get a 4+ feel no pain save. It really makes sure this monster gets into CC, or if he dosn't he soacks so much fire the rest of your army should.

brushman

· #5 · Feb 2, 2006

I would ALWAYS take feel no pain on a khorn statured prince, as it gives you an additional 4+ save against all ranged weapons that are less then STR 10. Las cannons, bright lances, rending assualt cannon hits, etc all get a 4+ feel no pain save. It really makes sure this monster gets into CC, or if he dosn't he soacks so much fire the rest of your army should.

I disagree. I think Aura is more usefull. Lots of CC squads, which your Daemon Prince will see, have power weapons. Without that invunlerable save he will be taking wounds pretty often and he'll eventually die against any decent squad's with power weapons.

Or some squads have hidden powerfists. If they get up to strength 10 then it will instant kill your lord. Of course it isn't that common that a powerfist will get up to strength 10, but their are units out there that have Strength 5 with powerfists.

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 145 Pts
Autocannon; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 165 Pts
TL Lascannons; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

I'd take off Daemonic Possession off your preds and add side sponser lascannon's. This will cost 10 more points all together but you could take essence off yoru lord for this.

Ben

Soviet_Tau_Commander

· #6 · Feb 2, 2006

Why so much Furious Charge? Sure it's a nice ability, but don't you think those points could be better placed elsewhere?

Garnoth

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 3, 2006

What about this new list, it has an extra biker and letter, furious charge wa dropped on several units, and feel no pain was added for extr resiliense (my opponents tend to keep shooting at him till he's dead, so it will keep the rest of my army alive).

1500 Pts - CSM: World Eaters Army

1 Daemon Prince @ 147 Pts
Mark of Khorne; CC Weapon (x2)
Daemonic Stature
Daemonic Speed
Daemonic Resilience
Daemonic Strength
Daemonic Aura
Feel No Pain

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 204 Pts
Chainaxe (x8 ); Bolt Pistol (x7)
#Furious Charge
1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 180 Pts
Chainaxe (x8 ); Bolt Pistol (x7)
1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

7 Khorne Berzerkers Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 180 Pts
Chainaxe (x8 ); Bolt Pistol (x7)
1 Free Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Bolt Pistol (x1)
Talisman of Burning Blood

8 Bloodletter (Troops) @ 208 Pts
Bloodletter

5 Khorne Berzerkers Bikers (Fast Attack) @ 268 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Chainaxe (x6); Combi-Bolter (x5)
1 Aspiring Champion
Power Fist (x1); Combi-Bolter

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 145 Pts
Autocannon; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

1 Chaos Predator (Heavy Support) @ 165 Pts
TL Lascannons; Lascannon Sponsons
Daemonic Possession

Models in Army: 41

Total Army Cost: 1497

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brushman

· #8 · Feb 3, 2006

1 Daemon Prince @ 147 Pts
Mark of Khorne; CC Weapon (x2)
Daemonic Stature
Daemonic Speed
Daemonic Resilience
Daemonic Strength
Daemonic Aura
Feel No Pain

Well, depending on what weapons they're shooting at your prince with, D Armour could be a nice addition. If they're shooting weapons with ap 2 or lower on him then keep him the way he is, but if they're shooting weapons with ap 3 or more then give him Daemon Armour.

Ben

Emp.

· #9 · Feb 3, 2006

Your DP cannot have two close combat weapons, one must be a pistol as no item from the armoury may be duplicated unless stated. Unless I'm mistaken, close combat weapons are subject to this rule, so though he may look better with 2x ccws, one has to be a pistol.

xrix1

· #10 · Feb 3, 2006

I'm fairly certain that you can take two CCWs, although I lack a page refference to back that up, as shockingly I have no codex at work. I do know however that a statured prince can't use a BP.

IAmAngel I agree with you, D aura is a better D gift for durability, but for 10 points feel no pain doubles his staying power agaisnt ranged attack, unless it's STR 10, but a DP is always weak against rail guns, unless you want to shell out for a D rune which most people feel is too costly. With a 5+ ward save, feel no pain, and 3 wounds it takes on average 16.2 las cannon shots from a marine to put him down. Thats a lot of fire for a 160 point model.

Emp.

· #11 · Feb 3, 2006

If you find the answer you are looking for, please post as you now have got me questioning my own authority :shifty:

Caluin

· #12 · Feb 3, 2006

Emp. said:
Your DP cannot have two close combat weapons, one must be a pistol as no item from the armoury may be duplicated unless stated. Unless I'm mistaken, close combat weapons are subject to this rule, so though he may look better with 2x ccws, one has to be a pistol.

That rule is for Wargear (Page 16, Chaos Codex, under the heading of Limits). Weapons are not Wargear.

Emp.

· #13 · Feb 4, 2006

....Oh yeah.....forgot about that...well looks like im wrong for once.....what do I do now? I'm not use to being wrong

(sarcasm)

Tones

· #14 · Feb 4, 2006

My opinion on Daemon Princes is that you need to put only as many points into them as is needed, and that that amount of points is usually higher than what most people think. I think your DP is sub-optimal at the moment, and will not be the terror that he could be for just a few more points. Here is my suggestions for the DP:

Lord
Berserker Glaive
Stature
Strength
Resilience
Essence
Feel No Pain
Furious Charge
Total: 175

It's not that many more points than yours, but he has

Pluses:
2 more attacks
4+ Invulnerable save (1 better)
1 more wound
1 more strength and I on the charge
Just as fast

Cons:
20 more points

I'm afraid that 20 more points is something I would be more than happy to pay for that, even at the price of a biker.

Besides that I think your list is fantastic. It really takes advantage of the best things Khorne has to offer. Just be aware that against non-Meq armies you have wasted points on Furious Charge and Chain Axes. But you're at full strength versus:
Marines
Chaos
DHs
Necrons

At some against:
WH
Orks
Eldar (for I)
Tyranids

And wasting points against:
IG
Tau
DE

So it's probably not a bad investment, it's just that a lot of competative armies are Tau, IG and Nids. But I'd keep it, if only to strike the same time as DE warriors, absolutely maul IG (wounding on 2s) and reducing irritating armour on Battlesuits.

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Mutuus

· #15 · Feb 4, 2006

but by giving him a glaive, he massively loses mobility and gets turned into a puppet by anyone with a landspeeder. I like glaived lords, but only when they deep strike, and you can't always deep strike. Either that or I use one as a fire magnet that still does massive damage when he gets there, but I'm screwed if my pred's don't take down the landspeeders because I just lost 495 points once my preds are gone and my daemon prince is useless, so I lost him too

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