[Lord_Machrigar]

G'day guys, hope you are all enjoying your 2016 so far!

Just wanted to run over my 1500pt list for daemonkin. I know its lacking anti air and more anti tank may be required but help a chaos minion out!

+Blood Host+

++Slaughtercult++

Herald - juggernaught, greater locus of fury - 120

5 Possessed - in rhino - 185

10 CSM - meltabombs, 2 meltaguns, bolt pistols and ccw, rhino with bolter - 225

10 CSM - meltabombs, 2 meltaguns, bolt pistols and ccw, rhino with bolter - 225

++Gorepack++

3 Bikes - meltabombs, meltagun - 91

3 Bikes - meltabombs, meltagun - 91

5 Fleshhounds - 80

++Brazen Onslaught++

5 Terminators - champ w/ combiflamer, heavy flamer, chainfist - 204

3 Bloodcrushers - bloodhunter - 140

3 Bloodcrushers - bloodhunter - 140

Total 1501pts

Let me know what you think, its a very aggressive army but I feel like I should drop something for some more solid anti-tank.

 

[andrewbeater]

Got any Soul Grinders? I find two of them would be a good fit instead of the Brazen Onslaught and fixes your anti-air issue. For me, I would get rid of the Brazen Onslaught freeing up 484 points. I'd put in two Soul Grinders as War Engines with Phlegm Bombardment which is 330 points. With the 154 points left over, I'd bump the Flesh Hounds up another 9 models to 14. That should leave you 10 points to do what you will with.

This gives you 2 pie plates of death, anti-air and close combat threats in the Soul Grinders and bumps up those Hounds so your leader can stay safe and not give up Slay the Warlord. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Lord_Machrigar]

I did have a look at the soul grinders and I do like their rules, I don't have a lot of the army as this is planning for what I need to buy.

Getting rid of the blood crushers also gets rid of some serious hitting power for the herald which is what I wanted from him and his daemonic locus. That's almost my issue. Unless I went with 2 soul grinders and instead just had one blood crusher unit outside of formations and then bolstered the hound unit anyway with leftover points. Looking more like this:

+Blood Host+

++Slaughtercult++

Herald - juggernaught, greater locus of fury - 120

5 Possessed - in rhino - 185

10 CSM - meltabombs, 2 meltaguns, bolt pistols and ccw, rhino with bolter - 225

10 CSM - meltabombs, 2 meltaguns, bolt pistols and ccw, rhino with bolter - 225

++Gorepack++

3 Bikes - meltabombs, meltagun - 91

3 Bikes - meltabombs, meltagun - 91

6 Fleshhounds - 96

+++

Soulgrinder - phlegm bombardment - 165

Soulgrinder - "" - 165

Bloodcrusher - hunter - 140

puts me 3 points over but I could just take off the hunter upgrade on the bloodcrushers. this way I still have the strong retinue for the herald.

Thoughts?

 

[Marius the Possessed]

Crushers aren't really the greatest escort for your Herald. Instead, pour those points into either making that unit of Hounds bigger, or get a second pack of puppies. Much better than Crushers, which are less useful than Hounds. You will never go wrong with more Hounds.

 

[Lord_Machrigar]

I guess two units of eight hounds would be very appeasing to khorne lol.

Its a real pity about the possessed tax...they aren't horrible units ive seen them destroy stuff in combat but they are so darn expensive.

 

[andrewbeater]

I like the Slaughtercult don't get me wrong, but I find the Possessed tax sometimes costs too much for the return. I'm not found of CSM at the moment but you could give it a try and see what would happen.

 

[Lord_Machrigar]

i think the thing with possessed is they have to be protected heavily so they can get to combat, because when they get to combat they can definitely mash faces.

 

[andrewbeater]

i think the thing with possessed is they have to be protected heavily so they can get to combat, because when they get to combat they can definitely mash faces.

I've had a metric ton of experience with this topic and IMO there are a few points of interest with your statement: Firstly, to be protected you have to do one or two things such as purchase a Rhino or increase the size of the Possessed. Either of these options will cost between 30 points to 185 points more (taking a 10 man Possessed unit in a vanilla Rhino).

The second point is getting them into combat. If you footslogged the Possessed, chances are in the 3rd turn or later they may see action. By this time the question is how many are left alive after your opponent shoots them. If they are in a Rhino, again about the 3rd turn before assaulting. Move up, get out, stand around then assault. Uuugggh.

Third point is unit size. If you start off with 5 Possessed in a Rhino, it costs 185 points. If all the Possessed make it to combat, it is still only a 5 man squad. Many times at least 1 or 2 will die before reaching combat. If you bump up the size of the unit to avoid this scenario you are investing a lot of points into an assault only unit. They cannot shoot and really, in the time it takes to get the Possessed to get into combat all they do is make a big target and they aren't doing anything else.

Summing up, you have to decide if the Slaughter Cult formation is worth the Possessed tax. The minimum points you are going to spend is 150. With that you could get a 15 man unit of Bloodletters which are really effective in the Daemonkin book. Now whenever I pay the Possessed tax, I take a 5 man unit without a Rhino and usually I camp them on objectives in my deployment zone.

 

[Marius the Possessed]

I've had a metric ton of experience with this topic and IMO there are a few points of interest with your statement: Firstly, to be protected you have to do one or two things such as purchase a Rhino or increase the size of the Possessed. Either of these options will cost between 30 points to 185 points more (taking a 10 man Possessed unit in a vanilla Rhino).

The second point is getting them into combat. If you footslogged the Possessed, chances are in the 3rd turn or later they may see action. By this time the question is how many are left alive after your opponent shoots them. If they are in a Rhino, again about the 3rd turn before assaulting. Move up, get out, stand around then assault. Uuugggh.

Third point is unit size. If you start off with 5 Possessed in a Rhino, it costs 185 points. If all the Possessed make it to combat, it is still only a 5 man squad. Many times at least 1 or 2 will die before reaching combat. If you bump up the size of the unit to avoid this scenario you are investing a lot of points into an assault only unit. They cannot shoot and really, in the time it takes to get the Possessed to get into combat all they do is make a big target and they aren't doing anything else.

Summing up, you have to decide if the Slaughter Cult formation is worth the Possessed tax. The minimum points you are going to spend is 150. With that you could get a 15 man unit of Bloodletters which are really effective in the Daemonkin book. Now whenever I pay the Possessed tax, I take a 5 man unit without a Rhino and usually I camp them on objectives in my deployment zone.

If you want to run Possessed and get the most from them, you do unfortunately have to invest a fair bit into them. As has been said, they are some of the killyiest units in the game, but are about 4-6 points too expensive for a unit without grenades. When I run Possessed, I go for a Land Raider to move them up the field and assault. Expensive? Very much, it's typically 25% of my list at least. But they do exterminate whatever they reach, and if you have a Gorepack or two and/or Grinders or Maulerfiends, your opponent won't know what to hit first.

 

[andrewbeater]

If you want to run Possessed and get the most from them, you do unfortunately have to invest a fair bit into them. As has been said, they are some of the killyiest units in the game, but are about 4-6 points too expensive for a unit without grenades. When I run Possessed, I go for a Land Raider to move them up the field and assault. Expensive? Very much, it's typically 25% of my list at least. But they do exterminate whatever they reach, and if you have a Gorepack or two and/or Grinders or Maulerfiends, your opponent won't know what to hit first.

You just can't take the Land Raider as a dedicated transport unfortunately. Not to say you can't take it as a transport however.

 

[Marius the Possessed]

You just can't take the Land Raider as a dedicated transport unfortunately. Not to say you can't take it as a transport however.

I know. It's one reason you have to invest, it takes a Heavy Support slot in a CAD, but that's easier in the Slaughtercult formation tree.

 

[andrewbeater]

I know. It's one reason you have to invest, it takes a Heavy Support slot in a CAD, but that's easier in the Slaughtercult formation tree.

Speaking of which, I hate the fact that the Skull Cannons are not in the War Engine section. It sucks since I own 2.