[zhaf]

Hello... my friend want to start to play WHFB *cheers!* and wanted a challenging army to play, he loves undead stuff... so TKs!
I'm currently helping him to put together a medium sized allround army... but since my knowledge in TK arn't that good (besides having read through their armybook a few times ) you'll have to help me and my friend here.

Ok so here's a sample list... we haven't decided on any magic items and equipment on the characters yet.

Heroes:
Tomb prince + 50pts magic items + chariot. = 195pts
Icon bearer + 50pts magic items + chariot. = 160pts
Liche priest + 50pts magic items. = 165pts

Core:
25 x Skellies + shield + spear + light armour + full command = 275pts
5 X Light horsemen = 70pts
3 X tomb swarm = 135pts

Special:
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
4 x Carrions = 96pts

Rare:
Sreaming catapult = 90pts

that makes 1401pts in total... 99pts left.

So I bet this list was terrible ...

 

[zhaf]

hm... ok... I was kind of trying to build a little of the battalion box så he had to buy as little extra stuff as possible. But I don't think that's gonna work now... so 3 box of skellies instead fo a battalion then .

Heroes:
Tomb Prince
Magic Items: Deathmask of Kharnut, Enchanted Shield
Equipment: Flail, Light Armour
149pts

Liche Priest 1 Hierophant
Magic Items: Staff of Sorcery
165pts

Liche Priest 2
Magic Items: Cloak of Dunes, Nefrra's Plagues of Mighty Incarnations
165pts

Core:
24 x Skellies + shield + spear + light armour + Standard = 250pts
25 x Skellies + shield + spear + light armour + Standard = 260pts
3 X tomb swarm = 135pts

Special:
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
4 x Carrions = 96pts

Rare:
Sreaming catapult + skulls of the foe = 110pts

Total Army Cost: 1500pts.

We think that terror might just come in handy as it even works on undead or daemonic units ... but if it's total waste of pts just tell. I wanted him to keep the carrions for taking out enemies fast cavs. I bet nothing is more irritating than anoying fast cavs. The scorpions and swarms are there to take away smal enemy elite units and warmachine crews. The catapult is... well it crushes things ... hehe nah accually he just want to learn guessing the fast way.
I don't understand why the Icon bearer is so bad... ok he can't cast incarnations... but he reduces the amount of wounds taken if you loose combat.
Aaaany way the priests will be busy casting incarnations left and right. I gave once liche priest staff of sorcery mainly because that he will be facing me alot at the beginning and I play DE... the +1 to dispell somewhat nullifies the +1 to cast from my mages. But we don't want advice on an anti DE list now... cause he will be playing other armies as well at a local hobby shops and such.
Ok so he likes tomb guard the most, but I don't know if they're cost effective such smal games... or even cost effective to buy ($ wise), after all he must pay almost 50euro for 20 of them. Do you think it's worth it to replace 25 skellies and a scorpion a with unit of 25 tomb guards and a banner? another question... are bows worth it?

 

[zhaf]

aww c'mon!... don't anybody read theese threads!?... I can't belive that none have any advice to a new TK player other than Phalanx!... at least say if the list is good or bad!

 

[zhaf]

hm... do you think that the 3 chariots will make it up for the scorpion in this case? At 1500pts I think that not many armies will have alot of hard hitting units and even fewer have monsters at that pts size. What 3 chariots gives me is 3D3 impact hits on the charge and 12 S3 hits every round. Scorpion will give me 4 S5 hits and killing blow and it has magic resisance 1.
I think the scorpion is better shuited to kill hard hitting units than the chariots. Mainly cause I gets guaranteed 4 S5 hits every turn and they're killing blow. Witch makes even the best armoured units think twice before engaging the scorpion in combat.
The chariots gives a mighy 3D3 impacts hits witch can be better than 4 S5 attacks the first round, but the remaning rounds it'll be pretty weak with its S3 attacks... witch I already gets from loads of skellies. but... I may be wrong what do others think?

 

[zhaf]

Here's a alternative list where we've replaced the cataputl with a casket. What do you think?

Heroes:
Tomb Prince
Magic Items: Deathmask of Kharnut, Enchanted Shield
Equipment: Flail, Light Armour
149pts

Liche Priest 1 Hierophant (casket liche)
Magic Items: Staff of Sorcery
165pts

Liche Priest 2
Magic Items: Cloak of Dunes, Nefrra's Plagues of Mighty Incarnations
165pts

Core:
24 x Skellies + shield + light armour + Standard + Musician = 231pts
25 x Skellies + shield + light armour + Standard + Champion = 245pts
2 X tomb swarm = 90pts

Special:
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
5 x Carrions = 120pts

Rare:
Casket of Souls = 165pts

Total Army Cost: 1500pts.

 

[zhaf]

Ok with your advice his list will be like this:

Heroes:
Tomb Prince
Magic Items: Deathmask of Kharnut, Enchanted Shield
Equipment: Flail, Light Armour
149pts

Liche Priest 1 (casket liche)
Magic Items: Staff of Sorcery
165pts

Liche Priest 2 Hierophant
Magic Items: Cloak of Dunes, Heiratic Jar
165pts

Core:
10 x Skellies + Bow = 88pts
19 x Skellies + shield + light armour + Standard = 181pts
20 x Skellies + shield + light armour + Standard = 190pts
3 X tomb swarm = 135pts

Special:
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
Tomb scorpion = 85pts
4 x Carrions = 96pts

Rare:
Casket of Souls = 165pts

Total Army Cost: 1499pts.

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But some questiones still remain unanswered:
1. What do you think of the characters equipment and items?... good bad?
2. Do you think replacing one block of skellies and a tomb scorpion is worth a block of 20 tomb guard?
3. Is the casket or the catapult better in this army?
4. Do you recommend other units? (eg Ushabti, Bone Giant etc etc) Over the ones he have on the list?