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hey guys me and a friend were talking earlier he saw a guy at a tournament play dark eldar with like 30 some odd dark lances, alot of raiders and ravagers too. Since dark eldar can take 2 heavy weapons per squad is it a good idea to max out on dark lances? Has anybody had experience using this type of list? since it would be a tournamet list I realize that it is probably pretty cheesy and most likely wouldnt play it in a fun game.

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6x 10 warriors w/ 12 dark lances
6 raiders w/ dark lances

3x 8 wychs
wych weapons
3 raiders w/ dark lances

3 ravagers w/ dark lances

I believe the count is 13 vehicles and 31 dark lances.
 

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Raider squads can only take 1 Heavy Weapon (Splinter Cannon/Dark Lance) and 1 Special Weapon (Shredder/Blaster) so your list is not legal atm.

Aside from that I think the list is far too one dimensional. You need some Dissintigrators in there for anti-infantry, some horrorfexes to supress attacks and some hard hitting units aka Archon/Dracon Incubi. Your Wych Squads need plasma grenades and a Sybarite with an Agoniser.
 

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I thought I could take the regular squad and give them a raider i was not aware I had to take the raider squad my apologies. So the question is which is better taking all those raiders or the 2nd heavy weapon in a regular squad?
 

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Generally I favour the Raider Squad as you get the missing Dark Lance on the Raider. Plus the Raider can move 12" and still shoot. Warrior squads have their uses though but for Dark Lance spam I would say Raider Squads all the way.
 

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A lot of people like to take 1 DL 2 x Disintegrators on their Ravagers but I like to keep mine specialised. So I would reccomend equiping one or two with 3 x Disintegrators. But it's up to you of course.
 

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ok hows this its 1998 pts. I didnt have the points for a archon unless i took out vect.

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6x 10 warriors w/ 6 dark lances - TROOPS
6x raiders w/ dark lances
1 horrorfex

3x 6 wyches - ELITES
wyche weapons
plasma grenades
3 succubus w/ agonizer
3 raiders w/ dark lances and 3 horrorfex

3 ravagers - HEAVIES
3x disentigrators ( 1 ravager with 3 disentegrators )
 

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You would need to throw a Gruesome Talisman in there somewhere to make it a legal list (remember that Vect can only join armies that are at least 2,000 points).

It's a nice list generally, for the amount of firepower is reaching nasty levels with 22 DLs & 5 disintegrators. What I would suggest though, is to take out one Wych Squad to free up 167 pts (plus a couple of Warriors for 183 pts, plus the 2 unused points for 185). Now you are able to put night shields on every vehicle except for Vect, who can't take one and doesn't so badly need it anyway. This will *really* improve the lifespan of your vehicles, and we all know that once the vehicles go down, DE are in a bad way. You have the long ranged guns to make proper use of your night shields by targeting and eliminating the opponent's long-ranged or fast targets that will be able to reach you, and then you don't have to worry about the rest of the army because you have the time to soften the various other units up and then assault them on your terms.

Good luck in the tournament. :good:
 

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Since dark eldar can take 2 heavy weapons per squad is it a good idea to max out on dark lances?
I’ll be fair to those who like sniper squads but I wouldn’t count on a army full of 10 man squads with 2 lances as they are not durable nor are they mobile enough for a prolonged objective based game. I would think maybe 2 squads of this type would be all that I would venture on a bet and the rest of the scoring units should be on raiders.

Has anybody had experience using this type of list? since it would be a tournamet list I realize that it is probably pretty cheesy and most likely wouldnt play it in a fun game.
The “cheesy” list with lances would be every slot (every choice) has a raider and the squad min/maxed (minimum squad size, maximum special weapons). You can get 11 raiders in a list with 3 ravagers (14 skimmers total) and that is “cheesy” as your opponent would be overwhelmed by a highly mobile lance army.

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Not a total cc power house but a wonderful ravager – don’t let his AV fool you, he will die eventually.

6x 10 warriors w/ 12 dark lances
6 raiders w/ dark lances
This can not be done. Warrior squads can’t take raiders. Raider Squads can but they would only get 1 dark lance in a squad.

3x 8 wychs, wych weapons, 3 raiders w/ dark lances
There is no point in taking the wyches without a succubus with a power weapon – outfitting them properly would take points away. You need to decide if they are for CC or just for shooting otherwise buy them 2 blasters each and zoom them around for drive by shooting (harder than it sounds really).

3 ravagers w/ dark lances
I am a big dark lance ravager fan but in a list like this, shooting lances at a squad of shoota boyz or a squad of hormagants is almost point less. You still need something a little more for infantry since your troop choices aren’t made for anti infantry (and neither are your wyches). If you look at the list, your only power weapon is coming from Vect and I do not suggest he be charging into combat at all. I would recommend one ravager being all disintegrators to start with and go from there.

I am definitely not encouraging this kind of list as it will eventually lead you to a boring game and frustrated friends. If winning is what you care about then you are on the right track down a lonely road.

A lot of people like to take 1 DL 2 x Disintegrators on their Ravagers
Nobody has used this load out for a very long time, I think it died in 4th when the new blast template rules came out a year and a half ago. So yah, keep it all lances or all disintegrators is the message here.

You would need to throw a Gruesome Talisman in there somewhere to make it a legal list (remember that Vect can only join armies that are at least 2,000 points).
LOL, this took me by surprise at first. It was like, “whoa, did he just recommend a Gruesome Talisman?” Haha, it made sense afterwards but I haven’t seen that wargear used since 4th. Nice reminder of keeping the list at 2k though.
 

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Thanks kwikwag and everyone for your help, like I said in a fun game I would probably never attempt a list like this but where I play its very competitive, especially in tournaments.
 

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Nobody has used this load out for a very long time, I think it died in 4th when the new blast template rules came out a year and a half ago. So yah, keep it all lances or all disintegrators is the message here.
It's actually my favored loadout Kwikwag. The versatility is more of an upside than the specificity of all DL or disintegrators for me.
 

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Whoa! I stand corrected then!

I haven't seen that loadout in this forum or any others for over a year so I suppose I missed yours as the common loadout recommendation is one or the other - my bad.

Hmmm, sounds like something to consider but I am not willing to experiment the idea immediately - can you share any findings or experiences? I suppose the idea of a loadout would be similar to what I have been doing with wyches (by putting blasters in them) and finding the flexibility useful during the game.

Interesting idea.
 

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if you can find the points, drop a few wychs so some can take haywire grenades, coz if your playing a 2k black templar land raider spam u got 6 to deal with and all you can do is glance, i take haywires on my wychs coz land raiders are popular at my local store, and lances dont cut it againt black templars, or monliths for that matter, haywires tho are amazing (and u get to laugh like a madman if you roll 5 for theyre drug :p)

otherwise its a harsh list, and tho a bit low on anti infantry, they have to catch you first lol
 

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not exact same abilty, just immune to lance weaponry, melta weapons and mosterous creatues still do the same, but dark eldar have neither (except the talos, but there isnt room for one in this list)
 
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