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I've already posted this in the converting Swordmasters thread in the High Elf forum, but I thought that this needed to come to the modelling forum too. I'm currently trying to convert a unit of Swordmasters by using the legs, torso and helmet of the High Elf Spearmen as a base and then creating the arms and sword in greenstuff, which I only started working with less than a week ago. Most of the rest of this post is just copied and pasted from what I put in the High Elf forum.

I've just finished the first Swordmaster for my unit. Bearing in mind the first time I ever touched greenstuff was on Saturday, I'm very pleased with how this guy turned out.

Without further ado, here is my first Swordmaster



What do you think?

The left hand isn't fully gripping the sword because I realised that the armature for the left forearm was a little too long, and so if I sculpted the hand gripping the sword he would have an insaely long forearm, so I decided to modify the plan a bit. I decided to sculpt his hand so he was reaching for the sword, about to grab hold and complete the swing two handed. This seems quite swordmaster like actually, because elven greatswords are elegant rather than heavy and you can probably start a swing one handed fairly easily.

There is no guard on the sword (the piece between blade and handle) because it didn't go very well when I tried to add one, and then I realised that I quite like how it looks without one.

He's not perfect, but since I'm a greenstuff newb I'm very happy with the results! I've got another well on the way and two more bodies prepped to recieve armatures, so this unit is coming together much faster than I expected.
 

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Mate; you say he is not perfect but that is an excellent first go at GS - you should be very happy with how it turned out!

The forearm section of the glove could do with a touch more work, and the picture makes the head detail a little hard to make out, but otherwise be very happy with your work.

I, for one, cannot wait to see more of there sword-wielding blokes! Keep it up my friend!

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for a beginner GSer this is truly amazing;o

rep coming your way :)love the sword;Y
 

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Thanks guys :)

Like I said, there are several areas where I think I can improve, and they do seem to be going better on the next one who is well underway. There are one or two bits on this first one that will probably see a bit more of my files too, like the sword handle, and the forearm like you suggested. Actually, I've just realised that it's hard to make out, but there is a jewel modeled on the forearm like there are on many High Elves, but the photo just makes it look like a lump.

I've noticed my models always seem to look better in real life than they do in photographs, whether painted or converted, I think mainly because I don't look at them quite so closely in real life. Still, I'm quite proud of this one and I'll get back to working on the rest of the unit very soon - I've still got quite a few to do!
 

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Time for an update!

I've finished 3 more swordmasters so I've got 4 done, which I think is pretty decent progress. I've starting greenstuffing the 5th, and there are 3 more prepped with armatures and ready for the greenstuff. The unit does seem to be coming together quicker than I expected, even if it is taking a lot longer than any unit that I've done before.

Again, some areas on these sculpts could be a bit better but overall I'm very happy.
Also, like before, I didn't notice some of the little problems until I looked at them on these large pictures. You just don't seem to notice the small errors anywhere near as easily in real life.

In order of completion, the most recent 3 are:








Finally, here's a group shot of the 4 that I've finished:




I think you can tell from this last picture that they look a lot better when you zoom out and look at more than one at once. At least I do anyway! :)

What do you think?
 

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Well Done!

Very nicely done with the green stuff. It looks as though you are getting the hand of it is so congrats. If I had to say anything I would say that you might try making the swords out of plasticard instead of green stuff....I remember my first attempt at green stuffing a sword.....ugh it was not pretty so now I use plasticard for swords and weapons and what not but this is definately deserving of some REP keep up the good work!

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Very nicely done with the green stuff. It looks as though you are getting the hand of it is so congrats. If I had to say anything I would say that you might try making the swords out of plasticard instead of green stuff....I remember my first attempt at green stuffing a sword.....ugh it was not pretty so now I use plasticard for swords and weapons and what not but this is definately deserving of some REP keep up the good work!

Skid
Thanks :)

A few few people have said that I should look into using plasticard, and I would try it, but there are a few things which meant I've carried on with greenstuff. I don't have any plasticard and I don't know anywhere near me which stocks it being the main reason. The swords do look a little off in the photos but they seem fine when you don't look too closely.
 

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Another update!

I've completed four more, so that's 8 in total. I'm aiming for around 12 to 14 including the command, who I'm going to start greenstuffing soon. This batch has a couple of fairly static GW pose style ones, because I'm going to use them in the middle of the second rank. There's no point in swinging your sword if you're only going to hit your comrades, after all. The next batch (including the command) are going to be in slightly more aggressive poses, as they will be in the front rank.

Here are the photos










And the group shot of those four:




Since taking the photos I've noticed a few places that need a bit more filing. Why does that always happen?

Still, my unit is over half modelled now, which makes me happy. Any comments?
 

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wow, these are turning out quite nicely, congrats. I'm not crazy about the way the words look, but thats more due to personal taste than any major problem with the sculpting. For a first greenstuff attempt they are turning out to be amazing though. (You should see my hideous Skaven plague monks...) Rep for you.
 

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Swordmasters.

That's truly brilliant first time greenstuffing, better than anything I've attempted.
Nice big rep.

Though, some of the photos are a bit blurry, nothing wrong with your modelling, keep up the good work!

Jack.
 

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love them great green stuffing ;Y
rep for you
 

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Thanks guys :)

I've started working on them again in the last few days now my exams are finished. I hadn't touched any models in about a month because of revision and all that, but now my days are pretty much empty I've started work on the next batch. Hopefully I'll have them done in a few days time, then I'll start the painting.
 

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The next and final (for now) batch are finished! Now I'm used to this I've started knocking them out relatively quickly. I've got enough now for a unit of 12 with full command, which will run in 6x2, or I could use less. I'll do a couple more at some point so I can have 7x2, but at the moment I want to get painting again since I've been doing a lot of greenstuffing.

First up is the last regular trooper.



Next the musician. I modelled him with his trumpet slung over his back for a couple of reasons. The main one is the way I'd made the armatures. The one coming from the right shoulder runs through the right arm and up the blade, and the one from the left shoulder goes through the left arm and down to the pommel. So if I was going to model him with the trumpet in hand I'd probably want him to have the other hand on his sword, and that would have meant either doubling back the armature so that one armature could go to the blade and pommel, or tracking down a soldering iron. I also figured that he would sling it n his back a lot of the time anyway to swing the sword, so it seemed the easiest solution.



The standard bearer now. The banner pole is from the chariot sprue. I figured I could use the hands that were already on it if I cut off the thumbs which were on the wrong side of each hand for what I wanted to do with it.




Finally the Bladelord. I had to think quite hard about him, because I wasn't sure how to make him stand out from the others. I modeled him with a larger sword than the others, but I wanted to make him stand out with either a fancier helmet or a good helmetless head. Since I didn't have any suitable bare heads, I went with the helmet. In the end I used the helmet wings from the hero kit even though I thought they look a little too large. I figure that they're not actually that bulky since they're mostly just feathers and it really helps to make the champion stand out from the rest of the unit. The alternative was the head from the hero or dragon sprues, I forget which, which had the large plume on top. It fitted with the theme a bit better than the wings since all my other swordmasters have small plumes, but I though the plume on it looked to huge, heavy and unwieldy and I didn't think I would do a very good job of cutting it down, so I went with the wings. They look a lot more oversized when you view him on his own than they do when you view him in the unit.




A group shot of the latest 4



Finally, a few shots of the whole finished unit.






Well that was quite a project. I hope you like them. :)

I'll get a thread up in the painting forum when I've got these painted. It'll probably be in a few weeks though, because I'm going to want to take my time.
 

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Ancalagon, when I first saw your converted Swordmasters in that thread with swntzu's, needless to say I was excited. When I stumbled on this thread, I was even more so; these guys are brilliantly done, and I can't wait to see them painted.

My only gripe is with your champion. The only thing setting him apart is his helmet... you might consider adorning him with some other fancy things, like a sash or some gems or something. Just a consideration; be sure to let us know when you've got them painted!



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Lost Nemesis said:
Ancalagon, when I first saw your converted Swordmasters in that thread with swntzu's, needless to say I was excited. When I stumbled on this thread, I was even more so; these guys are brilliantly done, and I can't wait to see them painted.

My only gripe is with your champion. The only thing setting him apart is his helmet... you might consider adorning him with some other fancy things, like a sash or some gems or something. Just a consideration; be sure to let us know when you've got them painted!
I agree about the champion, it's just that I couldn't really think of much I could do to make him stand out apart from the helmet at the time, hence why he got the enormous wings. I considered a cloak but I thought it would look a little daft if he was the only one with a cloak and since I've never tried to model that kind of flowing cloth it probably wouldn't turn out too well. I do like your idea of a sash though. I might try to add one, though it might be tricky to get the greenstuff off the detail on his breastplate if I go wrong.

I'll probably try it in a couple of days, since tomorrow is a big event here so I won't get anything done then. It would add a good little bit of colour as well, since the vast majority of the unit is going to be silver just because there's so much armour! Part of the plan was to try to make the champion stand out somehow in the paint scheme, perhaps by using a little more gold than on the rest of them, or maybe layering some reds onto his armour while the rest of the unit just use silver (my normal colour scheme is red gore and bleached bone with mithril silver armour). That could work quite well actually. Hmmm...I've got some thinking to do!
 

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Pickle said:
Nice work, maybe get some milliput for the sword, it sets harder and as such is easier to file to a sword point etc.
I probably should have done, but they're finished now and I'm happy enough. If I consider doing another big batch at some point I'll look into it
 
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