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Good Evening,

I am fairly new to this game and was looking as to what army to invest in. My opponents will be playing the Tyranids and the Toa and so in your past experiences what helped you to win or is it just a bad idea for the most part to fight these armies overall
 

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I play both, Dark Eldar and Tyranids, so I can quite guess what would be effectiv. All your weapons will go trough standart armor, since no gants or stealers have better saves then 5+. A lot of splinter canons will propably work quite good, too, so get out the scourges.
Dark lances are perfect to kill the bigger creatures, tyranids warriors will be instakilled by them, and even a Hivetyrants and Carnifex wounds will melt down really fast, since you wound them on 2+ and they have no kind of save against that.
Whiches are good to bind the nasty stealers, while your succubus will make mince mice out of them.
If you are a fan of those hellmasks and stuff like that, better leave it at home because of the hive mind and the generally high moral.
Dont dismounting your raider squads could be a good idea, too, since most tyranid weapons cant penetrate them (yeah, feel quite invulnerable in your indestructable raiders :lol: ), at least against the small gants. Stealers of course can rip them apart, but thats what the splinter canons are made for.

Against tau I cant give you any good tips or tactics, since I neither play nor played against them. But they are really weak in CC so try to et there as quickly as possible, maybe leaving some sniper squads in your deployment zone to deal with that crisis suites and tanks. i think they are also quite vulnerable against shooting, at least that fire warriors, so don´t save the points for that splinter canons.

I hope I could give you some helpful insight, and may you come home with many slaves and creatures for our gladiator pits.
 

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so what guys should be put in the army that both the Toa and Tyranids will learn to fear. It seems some raiders and probly some whiches but are there others that should quickly be a most
 

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dont try to out shoot tau.

take yur archon and co.'s raider. drive it 24" stright into the face of the tau line and turn the raider sideways. WHEN they blow it up, jump out in back so they cant shoot you, using the raider as cover. then walk right through their entire army with that famed retinue of yours.
 

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or he could make a dummy hq and 2 sniper squads in and make the rest reserves through webway! have some jet bikes wyches, 2 talos, grotesque, and some raider squads! just stomp him from above! the good thing if you use webway you can move, use fleet of foot and charge (only use fof if neccerserly) otherwise! drop in with sourges and sybrite, opes webway, and the 4 others open fire at his broadsides with their insta killer weapons (dark lance) found it very usefull against a 2500 point army!!
 

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But you can´t open the webway in the round the scourges deep strike or just moved, because its used like a heavy weapon, so you have to stand still in the movement phase ... what makes it quite hard to use right. Damn those Ultwe Eldar how can move and activate it :angry:
 

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WHAT! DAMH that they gotta change, *****es me off, thats really CHESE, ill file in complaints, ill even terrorise GW for that, man that is anoying, Utwe eldar can but not dark eldar! Grrrrr, now i have to make my army way differant, and i just bought a talos!! GRRRRRRR
 

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Yeah, I too don´t get it why that Ulthwe Eldar can do some cool stuff with the warpportal, and we, the notorious fast dark eldar, snail around when using it *sigh*. :(
Maybe they just forgot to update it when they released the ulthwe book, like they did whith the terminator and chaos terminator armour, until they made the thingy with the 5+ invul. save offical for both. :huh:
On the other hand the U.Eldar totally depend on the WPF and have to deploy at least halve there army with it, while we dark eldar have many other means of getting fast from point a to b.
So lets talkt to GW about this, they might change it so the WPF works the same for both armys.
At the moment you can hardly us it any earlyer then the 3rd turn ... turn one to get to where you want to deploy it, turn two you have to stand still and do nothing but activating it (and maybe shooting with the other members in teh squad), so that in turn tree (if your squad survives the enemies shooting phase) your troups can jump out ... taking away the surprise moment since your enemie has at least one round to react acordingly.
 

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You can always give the scourge carrying the warp gate a shadow gate, that way he has a good chance of living. I don't actually do this, but it might work if your willing not to give it to your lord.
 

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theres no such thing as a shadow gate. not accordign to my Dark eldar codex second edition! but the reason i want to use hte webway, is because i have 2 talos with, and thinking of making some 20 warrior squads just for trashing the opponits forces! he he but still 2 sniper squads 2 darl lances with 8 meat shields!! so evil
or 2 dark lances with 18 meat shields! that would be more evil but less good in small places
 

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yeah a Shadow field, but dont waste that shadow field on a sourge, use it on your lord instead, or else he/she will die the second round of combat! no lord without his/her shadow field, and 5 incubi meat shields!!
 

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That would be a shadowfield ... you seldom see an Archaon without these. Of course you could give it to an deepstriking sybarith, but that would still be a lot of points just spend to deliver a webway portal so that in maybe the 3rd, sometimes 4th or later round some evil things may pour out to devour the hapless enemy. Hmm... How about just some more scourges without upgrades? When you deepstrike 10 scourges without heavy weapons, a sybarith and a WWP it costs jou 216 ... hmmm not good either ... 9LP meatshield will die just as easy ... the easiest thing would be to allow dark eldar to use the same rules as the Ulthwe Eldar, so easy and everyone would be happy (well anyone besides the crushed enemies :D ) Notice that according to the updated rules skyboards can deepstrike, too, and recive a 5+ Invul save in the turn they arrive ... this could be a saver, but still expensive, way to bring a WWP somewhere.
 

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well, jetbikes, and helions can deep striek, that is a good thing, but still think its an unfair thing that you cant use the webway portal as Utwve Eldars, grrrrrr
 

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Yeah, I hate this, too. Would be a good thing if they change it, so that we are at least equal to the Eldar ... it seems that they want to see us in the underdog position ... ha, we will show everyone that we are superiour and can kick everyones but.
But until then we will have to live with this rather unfair inability to use the WWP to its full potential .... maybe you can talk your buddys into allowing you to use the WWP as the Ulthwe Eldar do, but in turnies you ´still couldn´t do this, what is a shame ... Narf
 

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well, cant talk them into that! really bugs me, and then again not, cause we play tournement rules! 1500 pts armies, soon 2500 pts
and have my evil evil Dark eldar army.
know after ive built my dark eldar army up ill try my wits with a ork army, either a normal one or a speed freaks!! just dont know!!
 

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Thats a pitty ... well then you will have to find a way around this problem or use other tactics.

And about the orc issu .... bah, don´t do that speed feak stuff, you are a dedicated Darl Eldar player, right? Even the so called speed freaks will snail around in your eyes and it will be really disapointing for you to think that you are playing something fast, and a deep emtiness will open up in your heart, when you think about how it would be to zip around the battelfield and never let the enemy catch you ... *nods* yes, nobody escapes the Dark Eldar, once they catch your soul the keep it, no matter what you try.
Speed freaks are a weak replacement for dark eldar speed, so try something really different ... thats what I would do.
 

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i love dark eldar above all, though i started as the weak space marines, found out they suck, changed to dark eldar, mostly cause they where fast, awsome cruel, dangerous, and their wepernory!! he he
but i like the orks, for the way they call things, Nothing escapes Dark eldar, none execpt Necrons! GRRRRR hate the thing they have, phase out!

but Orks are what im aming for, either that or Imperial guard,m thats nither on chaos side and nither the emperor!
 

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This ads to the overall frustration that you feel when you play against necrons ... they stand up again and you can´t even get the satisfaction to take some prisoners ... damn.
 
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