Oh great, OverTyrant Loki, please answer my plea!
My Ogres disobey my every command, losing combat after combat, battle after battle. Please help me determine my unit builds.
Blood Gruel the Flatulent commands the following Ogres in his tribe:
19 Bulls with 2 standard bearers and 3 musicians.
8 iron guts, with two musicians, and one standard bearer.
3 maneaters (who often practice gastromancy instead)
4 leadbelchers
Blood Gruel also commands some lesser beings:
3 Yhettes
a scraplauncher
a slavegiant
80 gnoblars
4 gorgers
How should Blood Gruel assemble his Deadly Winds? What build will maketh their stink hurt the enemy more than themselves?
EDIT: By the way, Phenix has started a thread offering to build armies. I challanged him to defeat the OverTyrant Loki. May the best Ogre win! (I'm betting the Loki)
Well Young Bruiser first problem is To many of those lazy bulls running around. Remember Guts are our best troopers and you should take them in abundance. Sad Fact of life is that those bulls have gotten so fat and lazy that you never ever have call for more then a single 3 man squad. Anything bulls do Ironguts do o so much better.
Slavegiant: While a great centerpeice and a brilliant model they just really have no place in the army. Normal Giants Just suck and die. Slavegiants Suck and Die or Break and Flee. Not to mention that they are terrible at killing large targets due to their different table then normal giants. Compare the Large Target combat list of SLave Giants Vs normal Giants and you will see that Throttle with chain is such a god awefull replacement. Dont forget that a single unit of 20 gnoblars can drop a Slavegiant in a single round of shooting.
Scraplaunchers: Theese are Brilliant mate. Thing to keep in mind tho is they are not a stonethrower that does impact hits. They are Chariots that have stonethrowers strapped onto the back. Drop Templates as you move this puppy across the board and get those lovely d6 str 5 impact hits. Dont forget that the Scraplaunchers is much less vulnerable to str 7 hits inc lose combat as OK are really the only army with a ready supply of CC str 7.
Maneaters: Are brilliant models but overpriced for what they do. Thing to remember if you run them. No matter what setup you use for them make sure that you run a single cathayan longsword. Maneaters are not champions which means YOU sir get to choose which maneater takes wounds. This allows you to use the superior I and WS of said maneater to protect your greatweapon wielding ones. If that comes up as a rule issue remember its in the Maneater Erreta that they all get to fight with their different weapons which means they overrid the normal majority rules. IT also states that YOU choose the model getting hit. All in all It helps them survive.
THey can also make a decent shooty unit for picking off skirmishers and the like.
Leadbelchers: Belchers have a limited use thats for sure. BUT the use they are good for is brilliant. You shoot them at a unit of goblins and you wont be impressed. On the flipside light up a shaggoth and chuckle as you drop it with 2 belchers (rolls allowing of course). It also allows you to ping away at those girly high elves and that annoying ASF rule. HElves tend to be squishy with bad armor and low Unit Strength in each unit. This allows you to really put the hurting on units of greatswords and the like. Belchers also while a bit pricey make excellent alternitives to bulls if you really want to include them (retain ogre clubs and gain Belcher cannons)
Blood Gruel the Flatulent
Tenderiser Wyrdstone+Luck Gnobler + another item of your choice. THis adds up to a pretty standard tyrant.
Tenderiser+ Mawseeker + Jade Lion(reroll failed psychology). My personal fav as it makes light of anything str 3 or lower. You may ask Overtyrant Loki they can still wound me on 6's why is that good. Well my little bull hit Blood Gruel with Toothcracker and anything Str 3 or lower CANNOT WOUND YOU AT ALL. This is the Cure to the High Elf disease.
Butcher
Kit you decide. i suggest Siegebreaker+skull mantle Bangstick+Dispell scroll and a third that is a straight scroll caddy. This gives you an extra spell they have to dispell as well as turning your butcher (who is the equal of any non OK Combat Hero Choice save chaos) into a chariot wrecking machine. Usefull note. If your Siegebreaker Butcher HITS (note hits not wounds) a Steamtank it is immediatly destroyed as it has no I value. This also works on warmachines (usefull vs dwarves as they dont leave it behind often).
Bulls x3 Naked no command. THeese are for baiting fleeing and getting shot to hell so your Ironguts dont.
Ironguts: Cant have enough of em. They are the answer to every problem you have if properly Gut magiced.
Gnoblar Trappers: Take at least the min ammount as they are awesome marchblockers and a general pain in the rump. And even str 2 sharpstuff can bring down kornate Chosen Knights.
Gnoblar Fighters : Great on a flank charge and the bane of any t5 or lower large target. 4 ranks of Gnoblars rapid firing at a giant will drop it in a single turn barring horrible rolls. And even if you roll bad and the giant smashes into your Gnoblars. Well who cares their gnoblars.
Yhetee's: They are love or hate. I hate em. Fragile and get shot to peices. Rather take gorgers and Guts
Gorgers: Never take a single one. Take 2 if you take any. Doubles your chances of getting one on the table turn 2 and wrecking war machines. I love theese so much i run a skrag list with 6.
so what i would make with your above list assuming 2000 points is
Blood Gruel : Mawseeker+Tenderiser+Jade lion + standard non magical kit
Butcher: Seigebreaker + SKull mantle (str 7 mage that braingobles on -1 ld? whats not to like)
Butcher: Bangstick + Dispell Scroll (extra spell to dispel as well as reliable magic protection)
Butcher: Dispel Scroll Dispell scroll (need i say more).
Bulls x3 no upgrades
Irongutsx3 at least 2 unts + all remaining points go here. Keep in mind that several units of three work better then 1 unit of loads of guts. Less chance to lose a bunch to LD tests as well as protection from losing your most valuable units to massed shooting. Place your butchers in with theese guys as they have superior LD to your Butchers and will keep em on the table.
Gnoblar fighters: If you have points left over but not quite enough for ironguts then a unit here is great. Remember trappers and Gnoblars both count for taking scrappies.
Trappers
Scraplauncher
LeadBelchersx2 Great at shooting up small units. You nay take another unit of 2 and a Gnoblar fighter unit in place of a single unit of ironguts. personal preference.
gorgerx2
Hope that helps. If you have any more questions let me know. Im more than happy to help =).