B-C Stern - Yes? No? Worthless?

I think the extra wound and attack for a measley 4 extra points is well worth it, plus you can still give him additional stuff like Icon of the Just or a Psycannon.

I prefer a GM because you he can dish out more damage for the point cost IMHO.

you can have both a GM and Stern but i ask you would my name be Brother-captian Stern if he wasnt good. OK i asume you have a codex lets add up the points lets say he is already a normal BC give him grimoire of true names, holocaust, hammerhand. so ther he is already the same as a normal BC with these upgrades but he also has an extra Atk., Wound, and a better Nemisis FW but he also has Strands of Fate letting him and his enemy re-roll and rolls per phase once. so here you go compared to the GM sure he aint as good but compared to the points and strengths he is a kick-ass grey knight.

Captian Stern signin' out...


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I compared him to a Grand Master because they are only what, 4 points different? Of course Stern is better than a regular brother-captain, but my question is whether you would be better off just spending the 4 more points and getting a grand master, since you're already investing the points for Stern.

I'd say that Stern is only useful when you're fighting Daemon-heavy Chaos, and only in a large game at that. In 98% of games you'll play, a GM or BC kitted out for that specific fight will perform better.

Thats what I figured.

For four extra points a GM makes peoples heads explode. I've done it three times to a CC Hive Tyrant. If you want a BC, get a reg. BC and kit him, if you want Stern, get a GM and kick even more butt.

Well, Stern uses his NFW the same way a grandmaster does, so he can pop heads too He does seem a bit too specialized for general use though.


Additionally, assuming anyone else bothers to read this, any thoughts on the other DH character, Inquisitor Lord Coteaz?

Coteaz is even more Daemon-oriented than Stern is. His weapon is a crazily-overpowered Daemonhammer, and his presence alone makes Daemons unstable. But against non-Daemons? He's just a nearly-200pt Inquisitor with a Thunderhammer. Sure, the ability to take 4 of each kind of henchman is cool in theory, but henchmen are fairly bad against Daemons due to their fragility. I can't think of a time when I'd bring Coteaz over Stern, and I can't think of a time I'd even want to bring Stern ^^

mEGALOMANIAC said:

I can't think of a time when I'd bring Coteaz over Stern, and I can't think of a time I'd even want to bring Stern ^^

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Sigh. Our special characters are so lame. Nice models for other uses, but I've never heard of anyone using them as their actual characters. Here's hoping our codex revision (Spring 2016) actually includes some characters that can both (a) kick demon butt, and (b) make the investment in points worth it for kicking any enemy butt, too.

brother-captian stern said:

Captian Stern signin' out...

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Is that pronounced "Capshun" Stern?

Yeah, both Stern and Cortez(sp?) suck.

Most special characters have at least 1 cool special power, but both of them have crappy ones.

Yeah, I can reroll dice, but so can my enemy?! I can take 1 more person of any type in my retinue? Big deal (would mean something if you didn't have that restriction at all).

I have both models and just use them as a GM and a regular Inq Lord respectively.

mEGALOMANIAC said:

Coteaz is even more Daemon-oriented than Stern is. His weapon is a crazily-overpowered Daemonhammer, and his presence alone makes Daemons unstable. But against non-Daemons? He's just a nearly-200pt Inquisitor with a Thunderhammer. Sure, the ability to take 4 of each kind of henchman is cool in theory, but henchmen are fairly bad against Daemons due to their fragility. I can't think of a time when I'd bring Coteaz over Stern, and I can't think of a time I'd even want to bring Stern ^^

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The only time would be if you were wanting two "GrandMaster" type characters as your HQ.... :/

Now, sure he has Grimoire of True Names, but other than that he isn't really tooled against daemons... Personally I don't use him and before this thread appeared I would say the only good thing about our special characters is that they gave us cool models.

Stern isn't too bad, (he ain't great BUT...) as said for a BC with holocost, a forceweapon, grimoire of true names and Hammerhand you would be looking at 141pts (same as stern) plus he has 2wounds and the weird special ability that also helps your opponent.

So he isn't a waste of time, but I would advise to use a GM first and then if you wanted to field another strong GK hero, grab stern.