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I've did a search on LO and turned every rulebook upside down, but can't find the answer
to the following problem.

I've got 12 Chaos Terminators, all the old metal versions. These came with the standard,
small 1" round base.
During a tourney, an opponent claimed that was not the right base size for Terminators.

I know that the new Terminators now all come with the larger, 1,5" bases, and thus these are
modelled as such.

I couldn't find anything about this anywhere.

So my question is: Does this mean my old Terminators need to get the larger bases also?
 

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I've did a search on LO and turned every rulebook upside down, but can't find the answer
to the following problem.

I've got 12 Chaos Terminators, all the old metal versions. These came with the standard,
small 1" round base.
During a tourney, an opponent claimed that was not the right base size for Terminators.

I know that the new Terminators now all come with the larger, 1,5" bases, and thus these are
modelled as such.

I couldn't find anything about this anywhere.

So my question is: Does this mean my old Terminators need to get the larger bases also?
I would think so. The base a model is shipped with is the minimum size (p.6 of the rulebook). While your particular models were technically shipped with the smaller base, the fact that the new ones are bigger means that the model 'Chaos Terminator' now has a minimum base size of 1.5".
 

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except that the rules don't read that way.

you are able to use your oldies just fine.

if you are going to play in a local tourney, you may wish to check with the organizers just to be safe, but you shouldn't have any issues what so ever about it.

gotta say I laughed pretty hard when i was told I had an unfair advantage because my landspeeders are the old small metal ones=)
 

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except that the rules don't read that way.

you are able to use your oldies just fine.

if you are going to play in a local tourney, you may wish to check with the organizers just to be safe, but you shouldn't have any issues what so ever about it.

gotta say I laughed pretty hard when i was told I had an unfair advantage because my landspeeders are the old small metal ones=)
So do you mean to say that if I were to find some Termies (or whatever large, based model you want) which had mistakenly been packaged with the wrong size of base, I could/must use that minimum base size for my models, regardless of what is supposed to be correct?

As of now, Chaos Terminators are usually supplied with a 1.5 inch" base. Thus, 1.5" is the minimum base size for Chaos Terminators. I don't see how else you can read those rules.
 

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Back in the day, dreads and bikes didn't come with bases. Those particular models don't need to be based, per the bgb. If your wraithlord came with a 1.5" base, use it. If it came with the 2.5" base, swapping it out for a 1.5" is illegal. Forcing people to swap to bigger bases is not how the rule is written. It is saying that if you don't use what CAME with the model, you MUST use something BIGGER.

oh, and to the OP, next time someone calls you on it, ask them to prove that each and everyone of their models is a citadel or GW casting, not a self made casting of GW's stuff=)
 

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Hi,
The rule on bases is obviously designed to provide consistency in base sizes as its starting point and goes onto limiting modification of base size in the upward direction only.
Probably due to the perceived problems of grouping models too closely together so that they can better hide behind terrain and avoid templates.

But as to the question “Does this mean my old Terminators need a larger base?”

By strict RAW, no but I would realign myself with current modeling practices ASAP to avoid the problem that you mentioned as there is no way you can prove that your old models actually came with those bases.
(You could possibly back order old models like this but they wouldn’t be shipped with the older bases.)

Cheers.
 

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I'm pretty sure if you ordered a metal terminator you'd be supplied one with the older slot-a-base too.
All my terminators are on the smaller bases and nobody has ever even mentioned it.
It is perfectly legal to leave them on the base they were designed for.

The rules are pretty clearly in your favour.
 

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I'm pretty sure if you ordered a metal terminator you'd be supplied one with the older slot-a-base too.
as happened last week to me.
It's 100% a tournament-by tournament issue - if nothing said use the bases officially supplied with the mini, for the mini (oh those of you who point out leman russe's have a 20mm round base in the box)

Some people like to put one larger bases on their smaller modelled unit for the charge range - especially coming out of assault vehicles
 

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OK friendlies it doesnt matter.

Tourneys - as per tarzen, it is the base the model came with, not what that model has now, case in point Eldar bikers, I have some that came with the small (25mm) flying bases, I have some that came with the hexagonal flyinf bases and nowerdays they all come with larger flying bases, I dont need to back convert old bike bases. I can, in line with the rule book, use the base they came with
 

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Some people like to put one larger bases on their smaller modelled unit for the charge range - especially coming out of assault vehicles
Well it is perfectly legal to use a larger base then what was supplied...just not a smaller one. The base that is supplied with the model is considered to be the minimum base size for that model.
 

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I've did a search on LO and turned every rulebook upside down, but can't find the answer
to the following problem.

I've got 12 Chaos Terminators, all the old metal versions. These came with the standard,
small 1" round base.
During a tourney, an opponent claimed that was not the right base size for Terminators.

I know that the new Terminators now all come with the larger, 1,5" bases, and thus these are
modelled as such.

I couldn't find anything about this anywhere.

So my question is: Does this mean my old Terminators need to get the larger bases also?

Too be honest, for your opponent to bring up something like that is too me poor sportsmanship even if it is a tourney. It's sort of disrespectful to be made to re-model your terminators to fit onto bases that look way to large for how they're stance is posed. I would say no you don't have too and you'll most likely find that other players start moaning and whining about little tiny details when they're getting beaten.

I also think the old loyalist and chaos terminator models looks better than the new ones....
 

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Just to be safe, I'd put them on the newer bases. They don't NEED to be, but why not. Plus, they'll fit with the new ones if you use both and nobody will have any reason to be a jerk to you, saving much time down the road.

Placing them on the newer bases just saves time in the long run.
 

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except if you have 80 of them on the old base.........
or don't feel like rebasing a unit "just because"........
or feel you are well within the rules (which you are) by leaving them the way they are.....
 

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There was a time when a model was cast or moulded as one piece with its base included (pre slotta base) and I am sure that some of the older modellers out there would not appreciate the re-basing of those particular models!

Interesting topic though.
 
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