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I'm a new guard player and trying to come up with my first 1000pts and im just wondering if its worth taking a single basilisk with IDF or just scrap it in favor of a Hellhound? I'm getting quite alot of conflicting advice...
 

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Take both!
A bassilisk can dominate small games but is so flimsy as to be a bigger risk than the hellhound that can swing a game if used in the right place.
 

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I like the hellhound for smaller games. They are really good at taking out basic infantry, and with some good support from other vehicles the enemy wont have enough Antitank to take it out. Then again; Why not take both? and a Russ! Tanks are fun!
 

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If I have to choose between the two of them, I'd take the basilisk. It is not only useful, it's a great psychology weapon - my opponents tend to freak out and do everything to take it out. Last time a terminator squad with librariand and so on deep struck just to destroy it(not my russes, not my vital morale giving HQ, but the basilisk). They were massacred by concentrated plasmagun fire.
 

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Being a new I'd go with the basilisk. The hellhound takes more finesse to use. In addition, it's an assault tank, and you're doing IDF, you're static gunline isn't going to lend a lot of back up. Meanwhile, your basilisk will be safely hidden behind a wall of troops.

The caveat to that is if you see yourself playing infantry heavy armies where a really nasty flamer template would come in handy.

The reason why you're getting conflicting advice is because they're both damn good vehicles in their own right, but have very different roles. Think hard on what the army's intended style is. Yes guard tend to just "sit back and shoot", but there are a very broad way of interpreting that thanks to doctrines.
 

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I think Dr Paris makes a good point by stressing the 'new' element (I've not yet read your thread Dr along not taking a basilisk).

To use a hellhound effectively takes a little more experience and cunning I feel, and for immediate effectiveness I'd go basilisk. It's easy to get 'right' - put it as much in a corner as possible whilst keeping it as hidden as possible. Also, it's versitile - there's little enemy units that won't be scared silly byt it. If you score a hit, you can say bye to anything bar terminator or equivelents.

Personally, I'd recommend taking a basilisk.
 

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Hmmm, as the above posters have said if your running a gunline then maybe the bassie is the best choice- the hellhound works best accompanying an assault, hosing down cover hugging enemies- which is why it rules in Cities of Death. If your tactics are to sit back and pound your opponent to dust the basilisk is probably more effective.

Besides, you can always go for a Hellhound when you expand to 2000 points :)
 

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at 1000 pts, I feel you'd see more 6'x4'. 750 is about the biggest you want or a board that small.

I think Dr Paris makes a good point by stressing the 'new' element (I've not yet read your thread Dr along not taking a basilisk).

To use a hellhound effectively takes a little more experience and cunning I feel, and for immediate effectiveness I'd go basilisk. It's easy to get 'right' - put it as much in a corner as possible whilst keeping it as hidden as possible. Also, it's versitile - there's little enemy units that won't be scared silly byt it. If you score a hit, you can say bye to anything bar terminator or equivelents.

Personally, I'd recommend taking a basilisk.
The thread in question was mostly me musing at the fact I hadn't gotten a basilisk yet, depsite having 2 chims, 2 russes, 10 sentinels, and over 100 infantry. (All painted but the sentinels.) It morphed into a discussion about the merits of the tank, which is fine by me. And yeah, bassies are probably the easiest tank to use really. Hide, fire, repeat.
 

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Depends what size board you're playing on too, I wouldn't take the Bassie unless it's a 6'x4' board or larger. 4'x4' are too restrictive when you consider the issue of minimum range.
Exactly what I was thinking. I play at 4x4 with my friends around this level of points.

at 1000 pts, I feel you'd see more 6'x4'. 750 is about the biggest you want or a board that small.
Really? I think 4x4 is good for about 1500 (and I play Guard and Tau :/ ). Now when i think about it, 4x4 is the standard for most things here in denmark... at least everywhere I have played...

Im still voting for Hellhound in 1.000pts maybe also a Russ...
 

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Are there any rules for Griffons? I never saw them in the old codex but they are probably more realistic fluff wise as infantry support than basilisks, which are meant to shell enemies from miles away.
 

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Are there any rules for Griffons? I never saw them in the old codex but they are probably more realistic fluff wise as infantry support than basilisks, which are meant to shell enemies from miles away.
A bit off topic isn't it? Short answer is Imperial Armour 1.

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Basically, it depends on your list and tactics.
I agree that the Basilisk tends to be easier to use for new players though.

Are there any rules for Griffons? I never saw them in the old codex but they are probably more realistic fluff wise as infantry support than basilisks, which are meant to shell enemies from miles away.
I don't really see what this has to do with a Basilisk and Hellhound comparison...
Anyhow, another place is the Armored Company rules on GW's website. Sure, you don't get the rules for special ammo, but at least the basic rules are free.
 

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It doesn't have anything to do with the basilisk or hellhound, but it is/was a heavy support choice comparable to a basilisk and insted of starting a thread for one answer it made better sense to use an existing comparable thread.

Anyways thanks.
 
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