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Hi i started playing with woodelves not so long ago and i had a few army concepts i would like to hear your comments about. It are concepts for a 500, 1000, 2000 and a 2500 pts army and of each size i would like to hear some comments if possible.

500 pts army (499 pts)

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ----------- pts
10 Glade Guards ----------- pts

11 Eternal Guards ---------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------ pts
*Banner of the Zenith ------- pts



1000 pts army (998 pts)

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts
*lvl 2 ------------------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts


12 Eternal Guards ----------- pts

8 Wardancers ---------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts
8 Wardancers ---------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts



2000 pts army (1997 pts)

1 Highborn ------------------- pts
*Great weapon ----------------- pts
*Light armour ------------------ pts
*Briarsheath ------------------ pts
*Daith's reaper --------------- pts

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts
*lvl 2 ------------------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts

7 Glade riders --------------- pts
7 Glade riders --------------- pts

16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------- pts
*Banner of the Zenith -------- pts
16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Eternal ----------------------- pts

14 Dryads ------------------- pts

10 Wardancers -------------- pts
10 Wardancers -------------- pts


2500 pts army (2499 pts)

1 Highborn ------------------- pts
*Great weapon ----------------- pts
*Light armour ------------------ pts
*Briarsheath ------------------ pts
*Daith's reaper --------------- pts
*Elven Steed ------------------ pts

1 Spellsinger pts
*lvl 2 pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts

7 Glade riders --------------- pts
*Musician ----------------------- pts
7 Glade riders --------------- pts
*Musician ----------------------- pts

16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------- pts
*Banner of the Zenith -------- pts
16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Eternal ----------------------- pts

15 Dryads -------------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts

10 Wardancers -------------- pts
10 Wardancers -------------- pts

6 Warhawk riders ------------ pts

8 Waywatchers --------------- pts


(i post multiple concepts at once cause i like to plan ahead ;))
 

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Welcome to wood elves, lets get on with the critique. I will just give you some general observations as each person plays differently and likes different units to emphasize their particular style.

500pts- Wizards aren't really necessary at this level. Get a noble dressed for combat or ranged as you prefer. Combat is usually better at this level. Eternal Guard aren't really that good at less than 15, 20 is better, and you don't have a noble to put in them to make them stubborn so they aren't being optimized for what they can do. At this point level dryads are a more efficient choice. And I would probably give up one unit of Archers for a unit of glade riders to have something that can get into combat also.

1000-Same as above for the spellsinger and eternal guard and getting some dryads and glade riders. Wardancers are nice but 1 unit would be plenty now. Get some variety, wild riders would be my choice.

2000- Highborn doesn't need to have both a great sword and Daith's Reaper, pick one or the other. As he will be with the EG, briarsheath won't help him. Get him some kind of ward save. The spellsinger needs a couple dispel scrolls. Alot of people (me included) don't like EG that much and two units is too much if you don't have two nobles to make them stubborn. Warbanner is probably the best on these guys, Banner of the Zenith is really only for Scouts. Wardancers see above. A rare choice would be nice too, either a treeman, or eagle help alot, and Waywatchers can be useful. There are lots of other lists posted here at that point level for you to use as a guide.

2500- Same points as 2000, except you have a rare. As before check out others lists for ideas.

As an aside, don't post point costs for each item you list. You get in trouble for that. Just post the total cost for the unit with upgrades included.

Good luck,
SirKently
 

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500 pts army (499 pts)

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ----------- pts
10 Glade Guards ----------- pts

11 Eternal Guards ---------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------ pts
*Banner of the Zenith ------- pts

I think this list is quite poor. The spellsinger at 500pts is a waste. The Eternal Guard with no character are not stubborn and the banner really doesn't suit them. I'd recommend wholesale changes and consider adding in dryads and a noble or branchwraith as the general.



1000 pts army (998 pts)

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts
*lvl 2 ------------------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts


12 Eternal Guards ----------- pts

8 Wardancers ---------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts
8 Wardancers ---------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts

Stay away from the Level 2 at this stage. The rest of the list is better.



2000 pts army (1997 pts)

1 Highborn ------------------- pts
*Great weapon ----------------- pts
*Light armour ------------------ pts
*Briarsheath ------------------ pts
*Daith's reaper --------------- pts

Can't have great weapon and magic weapon. Can't have light armour and briarseath.

1 Spellsinger ----------------- pts
*lvl 2 ------------------------- pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts

Probably need musicians in all the units.

7 Glade riders --------------- pts
7 Glade riders --------------- pts

These guys are best in units of 5 and a musician is a must.

16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------- pts
*Banner of the Zenith -------- pts
16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Eternal ----------------------- pts

Not a fan of the banner of zenith on this unit as it is so slow.

14 Dryads ------------------- pts

10 Wardancers -------------- pts
10 Wardancers -------------- pts




2500 pts army (2499 pts)

1 Highborn ------------------- pts
*Great weapon ----------------- pts
*Light armour ------------------ pts
*Briarsheath ------------------ pts
*Daith's reaper --------------- pts
*Elven Steed ------------------ pts

Same comments as before.

1 Spellsinger pts
*lvl 2 pts

10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts
10 Glade Guards ------------ pts
*Musician ---------------------- pts

7 Glade riders --------------- pts
*Musician ----------------------- pts
7 Glade riders --------------- pts
*Musician ----------------------- pts

Ditto the previous comments.

16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Standard Bearer ------------- pts
*Banner of the Zenith -------- pts
16 Eternal Guards ----------- pts
*Eternal ----------------------- pts

15 Dryads -------------------- pts
*Champion -------------------- pts

10 Wardancers -------------- pts
10 Wardancers -------------- pts

6 Warhawk riders ------------ pts

This unit is too big. The foot print they make and their points cost makes it a very easy and costly target. 3-4 is a good size I have found.

8 Waywatchers --------------- pts


(i post multiple concepts at once cause i like to plan ahead ;))
Comments above. Also, please refrain from posting the cost of unupgraded units and the points for individual upgrades as it is against forum rules. Please take a moment to read them. You can find a link in my sig.
 

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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
sorry about the points thingy, i didn't know that... i read the rules part in the upper bar and i couldn't find anything about it... i dont see a signature either with the link so could you help me with that?
 

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500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble
* Spear
* Light Armour
* Shield

Core:

10 Glade Guards

14 Eternal Guards

5 Glade Riders
* Musician


1000 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble
* Spear
* Light Armour
* Shield

1 Branchwraith

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

5 Glade Riders
* Musician
* Champion

8 Dryads
* Champion

Special:

15 Eternal Guards

9 Wardancers
* Champion


2000 pts army

Lords/Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Highborn
* Railarion's Mantle
* Dawn Spear
* Wild Rider Kindred
* Great Stag

1 Spellsinger
* lvl 2
* 3x Dispel Scroll

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

5 Glade Riders
* Musician

15 Eternal Guards
* Musician

10 Dryads
* Champion

Special:

6 Wild Riders

8 Wardancers
* Champion

8 Wardancers
* Champion

4 Tree Kin

Rare:

1 Great Eagle


2500 pts army

Lords/Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Highborn
* Railarion's Mantle
* Dawn Spear
* Wild Rider Kindred
* Great Stag

1 Spellsinger
* lvl 2
* 3x Dispel Scroll

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

5 Glade Guards
* Musician
* Champion
* Scouts

6 Glade Riders
* Musician

15 Eternal Guards
* Musician

10 Dryads

10 Dryads

Special:

6 Wild Riders

8 Wardancers
* Champion

8 Wardancers
* Champion

3 Warhawk Riders

Rare:

6 Waywatchers

1 Treemen



Ok, here are the new (and hopefully improved) concept army lists i made. I again, would love to here your opinions about these lists. :)
 

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The 500-points list is oke, though you can consider a Hail of Doom Arrow for you're noble. You're 1000-points list is also nice, only the same comment to take the HoDA ( and get rid of that champion in the dryad unit, it's way to expensive). In you're 2000-points list are more things to change: first spellsingers can't get three dispell scrolls(limited to 2). I would take only three Treekin, though this isn't that bad. You may want to get a full command for you're Eternal Guard and I would only take one unit of wardancers (one of 10). Maybe you could put a noble (or change that highborn) in the Eternal Guard. For the 2500-points list, the mage, see comment above. Again put a noble/highborn in the Eternal Guard(you really want them to be stubborn). Also for the wardancers the same comment. These list are better then they were, a few changes and they will be killer-list;).
 

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Here's my problem with the list. Most small point armies excel in shooting and not in magic. The other armies that do well in small point games are horde armies like O&G because they can pack in more guys than the rest of the armies (think night goblins @500pts).

In my opinion, and I tell you this if you care about winning at all, do not take eternal guards until you have at least 2000pts on the board. The only advantage of Eternal guard is their leadership 9 stubborness with a noble and if they have the big banner of 5+ward for eveyone, they can usually hold up an enemy for a few turns. Their initiative is good, but there are too many armies that ignore initiative these days (HE and VC). There is no way you get across the board with your force intact unless your opponent refuses to shoot at you. You have nothing that can even hurt the enemy except some str4 on the charge GR who will die if they have any str at all.
500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble take off the spear, he has a better chance of surviving with the HW&S - the spear doesn't help bc he's not mounted. If you give him the EG kindred you save points and he gets the same save except +1 attack
* Spear
* Light Armour
* Shield

Core:

10 Glade Guards

14 Eternal Guardsdrop these guys and get more shooting or dryads or both

5 Glade Riders
* Musician


1000 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble for this list, make this guy a wardancer kindred and get him a 3+ward with stone of crystal mere or something* Spear
* Light Armour
* Shield

1 Branchwraith

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

5 Glade Riders
* Musician
* Champion

8 Dryads
* Champion

Special:

15 Eternal Guards I think you're over 1000pts so drop these guys maybe get another unit of 8 dryads

9 Wardancers
* Champion


2000 pts army

Lords/Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Highborn
* Railarion's Mantle
* Dawn Spear
* Wild Rider Kindred
* Great Stag

1 Spellsinger
* lvl 2
* 3x Dispel Scrolljust a typo, I'd drop the level 2 and the musicians on the GG and the champ on the dryads and you could almost get another unit of Dryads or a wardancer noble with moonstone of hidden ways. Or a noble to run with your eternal guard

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

5 Glade Riders
* Musician

15 Eternal Guards
* Musician

10 Dryads
* Champion

Special:

6 Wild Ridersdrop these guys down to 5, get a musician and warbanner. You need room for your great stag.

8 Wardancers
* Champion

8 Wardancers
* Champion

4 Tree Kin

Rare:

1 Great Eagle

. :)
 

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Hi asrai archer,

I've thought about the HoDA, but i didn't like them enough to place them in the army.
The Dryad champion was only because i had 12 points left and it seemed the easiest solution.


You may want to get a full command for you're Eternal Guard.
What do you mean with giving them full command?

Yeah i forgot that the stubborness doesnt work with spellsingers and stuff and that is actually the only reason i put them in there.

Why only one Wardancer unit? I think they have nice stats and abilities, but since i haven't played a real match with them, could you tell my why only one unit?

Anyway, thanks for the comments. :)



Hi buckero0,

if they have the big banner of 5+ward for eveyone
Which banner are you talking about?

personally i think the 500 points army is the hardest one to make since you just dont have so much choices and still be effective.

i really like the sound of the wardancer noble and then i can scrap the EG anyways.. But the army was precisely 1k points though. ;)

About the 2k points army, why not use the lvl 2 spellsinger? and isn't a musician obligated with WR? that's why i didn't posted it. Since the EG can be removed here to, i allready should have enough points for another noble or something. Oh and why 5 WR? the difference isn't that great i suppose.

Also thanks for the advise and comments. :)
 

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The wardancers are way too expensive to take so many and you need them to get out of site of archers, or they die immediately. One unit can do that, but to is getting a problem. And about the HoDA, I didn't thought he was that good in the very beginning, till I just tried them out. You can use them to destroy a unit of low armoursave troops (archers...), or you must have very much bad luck. About full command I mean champion, standard bearer and musicion.
 

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aha okej, well with the changes i made in my army lists i never get more then 1 unit of wardancers. So that solves that problem... I also removed all Eternal Guard units and replaced them with all sorts of things.

I'll think about the HoDA in my 500 points army... but i think it's really hard to make a solid, but distinctive army with putting alot of points in a Character.
 

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aha okej, well with the changes i made in my army lists i never get more then 1 unit of wardancers. So that solves that problem... I also removed all Eternal Guard units and replaced them with all sorts of things.

I'll think about the HoDA in my 500 points army... but i think it's really hard to make a solid, but distinctive army with putting alot of points in a Character.
I beg to differ. Two units of dryads and a couple of other things in a 500pt list is pretty nasty. You by no means have to go overboard with characters to get good results with WE.

Also, I think bucker00 was talking about Rhymer's Harp which is a talisman and is over the points allocation for a bsb . The WE army book only lifts the limit for magic banners so it'll have to go on a lord. That's my interpretation anyway.
 

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Well, maybe is a HoDA not neccesarry in a 500pts game, but it is always handy. Almost any army has one unit that you can blow away with the HoDA, and it usually kills more enemies then you could get for 30 points. But maybe it isn't that needy for such a small battle.
 

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I made 2 new concepts for my 500 points army. Personally i like the second the most and if i could have added the HoDA tot that one i would have done so, but alas. The first army is a bit more archery orientated and the second is more for direct combat. I picked the warhawk riders, because of their hit and run ability. This could give me the chance to destroy enemy warmachines more quickly and reduce the possible number of casualties from my other units. Please give me your comments about these concepts to. :) thank you in advance ;)


500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble
* Light Armour
* Hail of Doom Arrow

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards

8 Dryads

Rare:

1 Great Eagle


OR


500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Branchwraith

Core:

10 Glade Guards

8 Dryads

8 Dryads

Special:

3 Warhawk Riders
 

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I made 2 new concepts for my 500 points army. Personally i like the second the most and if i could have added the HoDA tot that one i would have done so, but alas. The first army is a bit more archery orientated and the second is more for direct combat. I picked the warhawk riders, because of their hit and run ability. This could give me the chance to destroy enemy warmachines more quickly and reduce the possible number of casualties from my other units. Please give me your comments about these concepts to. :) thank you in advance ;)


500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Wood Elf Noble
* Light Armour
* Hail of Doom Arrow

Core:

10 Glade Guards
* Musician

10 Glade Guards

8 Dryads

Rare:

1 Great Eagle


OR


500 pts army

Heroes:

1 Branchwraith

Core:

10 Glade Guards

8 Dryads

8 Dryads

Special:

3 Warhawk Riders
Just one question. Why does the asrai hero not have a great weapon or similar? It's only a couple of points after all.

Anyway, I like the second list more purely because of the dryads. They're pretty hard to hit with shooting and they pack a punch in combat. The branchwraith is a tough cookie too.
 

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it's indeed only a couple of points, but i only have 1 point left ;) And besides as i said it's mainly an archery army. I could use the points of the musician, but i would rather leave it in place.

Yeah i like the second army better to, also because of the fear factor.
 

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I like them both. Only one thing on the first list: maybe you can do the musicion away, and give you're noble a GW. And, as you like dryads(who doesn't..) you can consider dropping one of you're GG and taking another unit of dryads instead.
 

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I like them both. Only one thing on the first list: maybe you can do the musicion away, and give you're noble a GW. And, as you like dryads(who doesn't..) you can consider dropping one of you're GG and taking another unit of dryads instead.
Agreed. They glade guard aren't going to do any baiting at such a low point level so the muso isn't much use.

Dryads are gold! :)
 

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but cant the dryads be used to 'protect' the Glade Guards? So the Glade guards and the Hero first perforate the troops and the dryads finish them of if enemy units get to close?
 

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You can use them to protect the GG, this isn't neccesary. I never to that, I just move them towards enemy lines, unless he has a very manoevrable army like WE, then,only then, I use them for protect the GG.
 
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