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Incoming! Blood Angels
This April the Blood Angels will be re-launched with an all-new Codex and range of plastic and metal miniatures. One of the oldest and noblest of all Space Marine Chapters, the Blood Angels have stood fast against the enemies of the Imperium since the Great Crusade and it was their Primarch Sanguinius, who laid down his life to aid the Emperor against Horus in the final hours of the Warmaster’s rebellion. The new Codex explores the background and history of these superhuman warriors like never before, and contains new artwork depicting some of their greatest battles and most powerful champions.

The Blood Angels have always been a powerful close combat army and have been made even deadlier thanks to a range of specialist wargear, the ability to field Assault Squads as Troops choices, and more Dreadnoughts than any other Space Marine Chapter, including a Death Company Dreadnought and the fabled Furioso Dreadnought. The Sons of Sanguinius will be deep striking onto a tabletop near you this April – now’s the time to practice painting red.
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Got the same e-mail. Very excited for this. Maybe if we are lucky they will release a ten man assault squad for 30-35$ of course GW doesn't listen to its fans
 

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Where'd you get this news from? How accurate is it?
 

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yeah if you get the GW newsletter check your e mail it will say blood angels incoming But the above is the exact e mail
 

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Look at it this way. It is a 3rd edition codex update that already had a temp-5th edition to build off of, and will not requrie a ton of new models, just some chapter specific upgrades. They could do something like the SW wolfpacks and/or the dark angels/BT chapter upgrade kits and call it good!
 

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I got it too, good news for BA. However, I do think it is slightly nfairas there are a lot of other races who IMO need a new codex more.

I agree to a degree.

I thought the basic idea of a PDF codex, which isn't a bad idea by it self, was to update it in parallel with other codices & core edition as time went by. It keeps the codex up to date with rules, it stays competitive and saves you the trouble of reediting a flavor of Marines ...yet again, when you could be doing something else.

The current Blood (& Dark) angel aren't as competitive as they should be. And its great that they're getting a revision. Its true that Marines sells more and will most likely get more attention than other armies , particularly Xenos. But why not instead use the PDF codices for the armies that are in Desperate need of an update? I'm sure that Dark eldars or Kroots would, for example, prefer a PDF codex over 10 years of silence.

Anyways, i don't want to go off topic here. Its great news no doubt. Considering the last few codices released, I'm sure it will live up to the hype its been getting.
 

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I thought the basic idea of a PDF codex, which isn't a bad idea by it self, was to update it in parallel with other codices & core edition as time went by. It keeps the codex up to date with rules, it stays competitive and saves you the trouble of reediting a flavor of Marines ...yet again, when you could be doing something else.

The current Blood (& Dark) angel aren't as competitive as they should be. And its great that they're getting a revision. Its true that Marines sells more and will most likely get more attention than other armies , particularly Xenos. But why not instead use the PDF codices for the armies that are in Desperate need of an update? I'm sure that Dark eldars or Kroots would, for example, prefer a PDF codex over 10 years of silence.
To which I also agree to a degree...

True, the older Codices (Dark Eldar, Inquisition, and Necrons, namely) are in dire need of an update. And true, a PDF update would be fantastic. But I'd consider it a slap in the face, were I any of those armies. It would be nothing less than less than a disappointment if at least two of those armies didn't receive the full attention they deserve ASAP. Orks, Eldar, Nids, BA, BT, DA can all wait three more years for a new release, considering just how long the older 'Dexes have been waiting... and will continue to wait, as we all know the latter will receive an update long before DE or Crons do.

At the very least, if Eldar receive an update within the next three years, I pray the Emperor has graced GW with the prescience to update DE along with them.

I must admit, I am excited about this new 'Dex, as I am quite fond of SM and each of the four special Chapters.. but by the same token, enough is enough! GW published and produced models for the old 3e codices, they have a responsibility to the players who invested in them. If in retrospect those armies were a poor investment.. tough shit, they have to live with the consequences and not leave the burden upon their fan base, marginal as it is. Emperor knows they can afford to eat a loss for one quarter.. hell, that's why he invented tax law!
 

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To which I also agree to a degree...
Some very good points.

I didn't want to sound like i was speaking for the entire filthy xeno community. Frankly i was just expressing my confusion on the PDF debacle. When i first heard of the Blood angel WD/PDF codex, i thought most "fringe" army list would get a similar treatment: Space marine chapter , the Craftworlds and Klan and so on. It seemed like a good idea, you get to sell more "parent" codex & units for model references. You can focus more production time on play testing and aren't constricted with a definitive time release for updates. Perhaps the actual Blood angel "Test" was so dismal that they put a stop to it. But as an uneducated guess it seems weird to release a proper codex a few years later, without having invested any time on the PDF.

In any event i think we should leave it at that, so to keep the thread from spiraling out of topic.

On topic , here my Blood angle prediction !

Dante , Corbulo slightly Nerfed : Changes include a limited bonus to the squad joined, instead of an aura. Similar to Sicarius or Ragnar.

LaMarte : Minor changes to distinguish him from other Chaplain... Instead of having just, +1 wound.

Tycho = God mode! Extensive change to stats, to purge Game workshop's headquarters shelves from unsolde Tycho models.

Death company: Minor changes in availability. Added a "Free victory point" to the enemy if not killed, like the SW berserk guy.

Death company dreadnought/ Furioso: Significant changes in close combat capabilities, changes to the furioso to differentiate it from Ironclads.

Assault terminators: More expensive than Vanilla terminators. Unique and more customizable weapons.

Generally speaking: Every popular unit in the previous edition will be nerfed , and every under performing unit will now , over perform!
 

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I'm glad it's coming in April and not October, but I'm also worried. It seems unfair that Blood Angels are getting two updates before Dark Eldar get even one. I'd also like to have actual details. What does "more Dreadnoughts than any other Chapter" mean? Are we getting Ironclads and Furiosos?
 

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I'm glad it's coming in April and not October, but I'm also worried. It seems unfair that Blood Angels are getting two updates before Dark Eldar get even one. I'd also like to have actual details. What does "more Dreadnoughts than any other Chapter" mean? Are we getting Ironclads and Furiosos?
I'm Guessing that it would be squadrons of dread's. Seems that GW has a propensity to get everything in multiples at the moment (IG Heavies, TMC's)

Although I wouldn't want to see what a Venerable Ironclad Furioso Deathcompany Dreadnought would cost ;)
Let alone a squadron of the little buggers!

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Some very good points.

I didn't want to sound like i was speaking for the entire filthy xeno community. ...
Ah, I did not mean to suggest that your position was a poor one, just to rant about the latest two Codex releases, which are not in as much dire need of an update as some more obvious candidates. Having said that...

In any event i think we should leave it at that, so to keep the thread from spiraling out of topic.
I agree, to a degree. Mind you, completely agreeing with you is a degree as well ;)

I would still like to point out, though, that despite my inexplicable desire to rant, I am rather excited that BA will be the next release (well.. as of a few days from now). I enjoy proxying them for casual games every once in a while, and though my experiences with them are rather limited there are some changes I would love to see.

1) Death Company - It simply irritates me that they're listed as free, and yet their points are clearly accounted for by other units. Obviously, this is the only way the current DC mechanics would work; however, Blood Angels do not succumb to the Black Rage before every battle (hell, there wouldn't be many left then, would there?) and so it just seems wrong that they're forced upon us so. Granted, as a Codex, I respect that Death Company have always been one of the features that makes the BA army unique. If not listed as an optional unit, rather than mandatory, I would at least rather see the old d6 rule (though perhaps that's just me being nostalgic), as it is certainly a great deal more fluffy.

2) Veteran Assault Squads - I hope they earn a new special rule, as to not be overshadowed by vanilla Vanguard.

3) Assault Terminators - Give them Jump Packs. HAH! I'm just kidding.

4) Assault Marines - Points reduction. It seems to be the logical progression. BA Assault Marines should cost the same as vanilla Assault Marines, except of course a small bump to the cost of the first five purchased in a unit, to compensate for being Troops choices.

I can't say anything about special characters, except that I hope they're not so profoundly game-breaking as SW characters.
 

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I think the only way to make Death Company work is to make them an optional unit now. They can't be free, like they were in 3rd edition, and making them a points "tax" on all your other units like in the update is even worse, since in situations where the Death Company would be useless you're still paying the points for them. So I reckon the only way out is to make them a non-FOC special unit that accompanies a Chaplain or a Sanguinary Priest. That way when you take them it's still fluffy and useful, but when you don't build your army around them you aren't being punished for it.

I'd also like it if they revived the old Black Rage rule, if only for flavour. It never hurt me too badly in games but it added a nice random element.
 

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I'd also like it if they revived the old Black Rage rule, if only for flavour. It never hurt me too badly in games but it added a nice random element.

What was the 3rd edition rule for the Black rage? If you don't mind my asking.
 

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What was the 3rd edition rule for the Black rage? If you don't mind my asking.
You rolled a D6 for every unit in your army immediately before the movement phase and if you rolled a 1 the unit made an involuntary d6'' movement towards the nearest enemy unit. It wasn't super important since it would affect you roughly one turn in each game, and for most units in a BA army it was actually an advantage. I'm not saying it can't be better, but Jervis Johnson's solution was just to remove it entirely, along with Furious Charge.

Bringing it back for 5th ed allows something very important; a potential 24'' movement on your jump infantry, by raging, moving, and then running. And 5th edition Blood Angels assault squads are scoring units.
 

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It seems unfair that Blood Angels are getting two updates before Dark Eldar get even one.
True, but as a minor defence of GW, updating any of the Marine chapters is like fixing up a new-ish car - a spot of new paint, fix up the brakes, maybe a new radio, and you're good to go. DE? More like trying to rebuild a Model T that you found in 20 pieces in a field somewhere and somehow getting it up to modern standards!

One is a quick polishing job, the other is a ground-up overhaul. Still, even just letting it stagnate for a decade or more is pretty much inexcusable on GW's part.
 

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if anything does change with Mephiston what do you guys will think will happen to him?
He needs something at the very least...either change him or boost him somehow...but he's too big of a chance to take right now
Too many points and he doesn't have an invulnerable
 

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if anything does change with Mephiston what do you guys will think will happen to him?
He needs something at the very least...either change him or boost him somehow...but he's too big of a chance to take right now
Too many points and he doesn't have an invulnerable
He'll probably get an invie and keep his rediculous statline, as well as a bunch of psychic powers. I don't think they'll remove Wings, but they may well buff Transfixing Gaze.

The lack of an invulnerable has always been Mephiston's big drawback. It really doesn't matter how powerful they make him or how much he'll cost; he needs an invulnerable or he'll just get minced by Warbosses and Lysanders.
 
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