[Sjt Mortison]

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[CADIAN 509TH, 1ST BATTALION]

REGIMENTAL DOCTRINES
1 - Heavy Weapon Platoons
2 - Grenadiers
3 - Iron Discipline
4 - Light Infantry
5 - Sharpshooters


HEADQUARTERS
HQ COY
HQ 1;
Regiment Command HQ:
Colonel H. Jones (Heroic senior officer)
Bolt pistol & Mstr-cftd powersword
Carapace armour
Medallion Crimson
Refractor field
Iron discipline
4x Guardsman
Meltagun
Master vox
Veteran (medic)
Veteran (Reg. Standard)
Sharpshooters
Commissar
Laspistol & Powerfist, c/c weapon
= 273 pts

Fire Support Squad (HB 1):
6x Guardsman
3x Heavy Bolter
Sharpshotters
= 90 pts

Anti-tank Support Squad (AT):
6x Guardsman
2x Lascannon
1x Missile Launcher
Sharpshotters
= 115 pts


ELITES
A COY
Elite 1;
Hardened Veterans:
Veteran Sgt
Plasma pistol, Bolt pistol
7x Veteran
Heavy Bolter
Meltagun
2x Plasma gun
Frag grenades
= 128 pts

Elite 2;
Snipers
1x Deathworld Veteran Sniper
= 20 pts


TROOPS
A COY (Patrols/Snipers)
Troop 1;
Command Squad:
Major C. Draken (Junior Officer)
Hellpistol & power sword
Carapace Armour
Honorifica Imperialis
Iron Discipline
4x Veteran Trooper
4x Carapace Armour
Meltagun
Plasma gun
Vox caster
= 149 pts

Patrols Platoon
Kasrkin Storm Trooper Squad 1:
Vet. Sgt
Hellgun
9x Trooper
Meltagun
Plasma gun
= 126 pts

Kasrkin Storm Trooper Squad 2:
Vet. Sgt
Hellgun
9x Trooper
Flamer
Grenade launcher
= 120 pts

Snipers Platoon
Infantry Squad 1:
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer
*Sniper Rifle
Light Infantry
Sharpshooters
= 91 pts

Infantry Squad 2:
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer
*Sniper Rifle
Light Infantry
Sharpshooters
= 91 pts


B COY (Rifle Coy)
Troop 2;
Command Squad:
Major L. Myers (Junior officer)
Laspistol & Powerfist
Macharian Cross
Iron discipline
4x Guardsman
Meltagun
Vox-caster
Sharpshooters
= 110 pts

Fire Group A
Infantry Squad 1:
Vet. Sgt
Bolt pistol, c/c weapon
9x Guardsman
Autocannon
Grenade launcher
Sharpshooters
= 100 pts

Infantry Squad 2:
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Autocannon
Plasma gun
Sharpshooters
= 95 pts

Fighting Patrols
Infantry Squad 1:
Vet. Sgt
Plasma pistol & c/c weapon
9x Guardsman
Meltagun
Vox caster
Light infantry
Sharpshooters
= 111 pts

Infantry Squad 2:
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer
Light infantry
Sharpshooters
= 86 pts

Infantry Squad 3:
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer
Light infantry
Sharpshooters
= 86 pts


HEAVY SUPPORT
D COY
Hvy Supp 1;
Command Squad:
Captain G. Reevers (Junior officer)
Laspistol & Powerfist
Iron discipline
4x Guardsman
Meltagun
Vox-caster
Sharpshooters
= 90 pts

Fire Support Squad (HB 2):
6x Guardsman
3x Heavy Bolter
Sharpshotters
= 90 pts

Fire Support Squad (AC):
6x Guardsman
3x Autocannon
Sharpshotters
= 105 pts

Mortar Support Squad (MTR):
6x Guardsman
3x Mortar team
= 80 pts


Just wondering what your opinions are of my Regiment's organisation. Also, any corruption amongst the ranks (illegality), let me know so I can pass it on to my Commissar.

Oh, I nearly forgot, my Battle Groups other Commanders (Steel Legion, Elysian and Armoured Regiment) should also be displaying their ORBAT. Details to follow…

 

[Triumph Of Man]

First off, it's illegal to post points for upgrade costs, you can only post total costs for units. Change that ASAP or else you'll get burned by a mod.

HEADQUARTERS
HQ COY
HQ 1;
Regiment Command HQ:
Colonel H. Jones (Heroic senior officer) + 70 pts
Bolt pistol & Mstr-cftd powersword + 21 pts
Carapace armour + 5 pts
Medallion Crimson + 15 pts
Refractor field + 15 pts
Iron discipline + 5 pts
4x Guardsman
Meltagun + 10 pts
Master vox + 20 pts
Veteran (medic) + 11 pts
Veteran (Reg. Standard) + 31 pts
Sharpshooters + 10 pts
Commissar + 40 pts
Laspistol & Powerfist, c/c weapon + 20 pts
= 273 pts

THere's a fair bit of useless crap in there. Lets weed it out.

Useless armoury crap that GW gives us:

Medallion crimson
Carapace Armour
Refractor field
Master Crafting

Other things to remove:

Medic (points better spent elsewhere)
Sharpshooters (Only cost effective in Support squads)
Meltagun (This squad is for leadership, it is imperitive that it is placed out of LOS, therefore the meltagun won't get used)

Fire Support Squad (HB 1): 35 pts
6x Guardsman
3x Heavy Bolter + 45 pts
Sharpshotters + 10 pts
= 90 pts

Good.

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Anti-tank Support Squad (AT): 35 pts
6x Guardsman
2x Lascannon + 50 pts
1x Missile Launcher + 20 pts
Sharpshotters + 10 pts
= 115 pts
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Mix n match is generally a nono. Find another 5pts and bump that last Rocket up to a lascannon

ELITES
A COY
Elite 1;
Hardened Veterans:
Veteran Sgt + 13 pts
Plasma pistol, Bolt pistol + 11 pts
7x Veteran + 56 pts
Heavy Bolter + 10 pts
Meltagun + 10 pts
2x Plasma gun + 20 pts
Frag grenades + 8 pts
= 128 pts

Very messed up squad, once again you're mixing and matching. Popular and cost effective combo is x3 plasma guns and x1 lascannon in a ten man squad, suggest you go for that as you've already got the two plasma guns. What you've got there has tried to make itself so versatile that it starts pulling its punches.

Elite 2;
Snipers
1x Deathworld Veteran Sniper 20 pts
= 20 pts

Just get rid of that, a single sniper rifle is useless ratlings are the only way to go because you can get a large group of them.

TROOPS
A COY (Patrols/Snipers)
Troop 1;
Command Squad:
Major C. Draken (Junior Officer) + 40 pts
Hellpistol & power sword + 5 pts
Carapace Armour + 5 pts
Honorifica Imperialis + 25 pts
Iron Discipline + 5 pts
4x Veteran Trooper + 24 pts
4x Carapace Armour + 20 pts
Meltagun + 10 pts
Plasma gun + 10 pts
Vox caster + 5 pts
= 149 pts

Same as the HQ, full of armoury junk.

Get rid of:

Hellpistol (illegal)
All veterens
Carapace
Plasmagun
Meltagun

This squad should be hiding to use it's superior leadership. A commissar here wouldn't go down bad either.

Snipers Platoon
Infantry Squad 1: 60 pts
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer + 6 pts
*Sniper Rifle + 5 pts
Light Infantry + 10 pts
Sharpshooters + 10 pts
= 91 pts

Alright, Flamers are crap, and so are sniper rifles in small numbers. Vanish em both and replace with some other wepaons. Also Sharpshooters is only cost effective in support squads, drop it form here.

Infantry Squad 2: 60 pts
Sgt
9x Guardsman
Flamer + 6 pts
*Sniper Rifle + 5 pts
Light Infantry + 10 pts
Sharpshooters + 10 pts
= 91 pts

Alright, Flamers are crap, and so are sniper rifles in small numbers. Vanish em both and replace with some other wepaons. Also Sharpshooters is only cost effective in support squads, drop it form here.

B COY (Rifle Coy)
Troop 2;
Command Squad:
Major L. Myers (Junior officer) + 40 pts
Laspistol & Powerfist + 20 pts
Macharian Cross + 20 pts
Iron discipline + 5 pts
4x Guardsman
Meltagun + 10 pts
Vox-caster + 5 pts
Sharpshooters + 10 pts
= 110 pts

Macharian cross is useless. You can save the points by deploying correctly in the first place. Drop it. Melta guns are only going to be of any use if you deepstrike the squad in which case the officer shouldn't be upgraded at all.

Try applying some of what I said for the other infatry squads to the remaining ones, I'm too weary at the moment to comment on the rest.

Patrols Platoon
Kasrkin Storm Trooper Squad 1:
Vet. Sgt + 16 pts
Hellgun
9x Trooper + 90 pts
Meltagun + 10 pts
Plasma gun + 10 pts
= 126 pts

Go double plasma, meltaguns are for suicide deepstrikers only.

Kasrkin Storm Trooper Squad 2:
Vet. Sgt + 16 pts
Hellgun
9x Trooper + 90 pts
Flamer + 6 pts
Grenade launcher + 8 pts
= 120 pts

Argh! BAD! You're totally wasting their BS with a paltry flamer. Again go double plasma

Also grenadiers like these need chimeras to be effective, and for chimeras to survive they need Leman russes to draw fire.

Sorry, the Karskin with the Flamer sapped the last of my strength, someone else take over please.

 

[Sjt Mortison]

Hahaha. Right I’ll try to give you your answers.

Firstly, the most important thing too know about me is that I build my army for how I want it to be (no disrespect intended, read on and you’ll get me). I totally understand all the points you produced, however;

1 – My anti-tank squad is a mix because they are the old models and I’m too lazy to order another old lascannon crew.

2 – Reference my Veterans, isn’t the whole idea of them to be ‘messed up’? Even the models I have are messed up haha, I’ve got the old ‘Para’ looking storm troopers in there (not the crappy plastic ones, some of the decent metal ones). Also, I’ve found that despite their mad conglomeration of weapons, they are very effective.

3 – You do realise that the single sniper you are telling me to get rid of, is in fact Sjt Mortison! It is me! I would be out of a job! The reason I’m employed in such a fashion, is due to my actions against a recent Ork encounter, where I managed to keep an entire advance pinned.

4 – I have done really well with my flamers in the past, even against the thickly clad traitor marines. My soldiers like them.

5 – As my army is based on realism, I think ‘vanishing’ my sniper rifles from my Snipers Platoon would be a bit of a kick in the teeth for my snipers.

6 – The reason my officers have different medals between them is just for a bit of individualism.

7 – Fair one about the meltagun being in the HQ squad, I might scrap that,

8 – Reference the whole ‘go double plasma’ idea, I am absolutely cursed with plasmaguns. I am useless with them so I limit their issue.

9 – My Chimeras are reserved to my armoured fist company not listed, and my Leman Russ’s are found in my tank regiment, also not mentioned.

I think that about covers what you said. I understand where you are coming from, but I’ve chosen to field my Guard in a manor that gives me the most enjoyment to play with. It is also deeply satisfying to deploy an inferior list against someone who has not and, with the use of sound tactics and positioning, still win, that is the greatest victory of all.

 

[Triumph Of Man]

Oh, you've got a fluff based army here?

Yes, veterens are supposed to be messed up, but really cuts on the damage they can deal out.

Also, if you want to distinguish the officers, you could do it more cheaply with trademark items.

Cursed with Plasmaguns? *Shrugs* Buy new dice or something. They're a lot more useful than than melta guns. Who cares if one or two toast themselves? You're IG so you should have like 5-10 more.

So the tanks are part of the army list you've got there? If not you really should get them in. Grenadiers want Chimeras, and Chimeras want Russes.

Yes it would kick the fluff in the teeth, but your men would be more grateful if you'd give them a bigger gun to kill enemies.

Sniper? Pin Orks? *begins to kill himself laughing* They've got a Good LD plus if they're 12 models or stronger, they're fearless, I really can't see an entire Ork advance getting halted by even a someone as good as a Vindicare.. Even if you killed one a turn off a mob of 18, you'd never pin them. Plus even if they go below 12, they've still got a decent chance of passing.

 

[Sjt Mortison]

Sniper? Pin Orks? *begins to kill himself laughing*

Weeeellll, maybe that has been slightly exaggerated over time. It was more like a squad of Stormboyz, but because of that I denied the fast slaughter my opponent wanted, which resulted in my victory.

My Steel Legion have all my Chimeras and my armoured regiment has all my tanks, and I'm still playing around with my lists.