Chaos Swordwind?

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buzzin_yoof

Discussion Starter · Feb 10, 2006

Hello all

I have a question about wether the following would be allowed in games (tournaments, etc).

I like all of the chaos models and find it hard to choose between the powers. I would like to put together an army sort of based on the eldar swordwind - i.e. one of each squad each with a different role.

Obviously this army would have to be played with black legion rules. General would be undivided and then I could include (as elites) 3 troop squads with 3 different marks (prob. slaanesh, khorne and tzeentch).

My questions specifically are:

1. Can you see anyone objecting to this (as far as I can see this is within the Black Legion rules).

2. Most importantly - could I use the chapter specific models (1000 sons rubric marines, noise marines, bezerkers) PAINTED IN THEIR NORMAL CHAPTER COLOURS to represent each of these squads? I really like the paint schemes of these chapters.

Please have a look and let me know any possible problems/objections with this idea.

Thanks

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Da Mighty Camel

· #2 · Feb 10, 2006

I really don't understand what you are asking for.
First you talk about using Eldar models for Black Legion (which would be ok if they were painted in BL colors and had some minor conversions) and then you talk about using chapter-specific colors on thousand sons (which you can, don't see why shouldn't).
Or do you mean that you want to play an basic, vanilla undivided chaos army with elite units that have a mark of chaos?
I am bit confused :wacko:

buzzin_yoof

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 10, 2006 (Edited)

Da Mighty Camel said:
I really don't understand what you are asking for.
First you talk about using Eldar models for Black Legion

Please read again - just the idea is just based on swordwind.

Da Mighty Camel said:
Or do you mean that you want to play an basic, vanilla undivided chaos army with elite units that have a mark of chaos?

This is what I am after. I want say 1 squad of tzeentch marines, 1 slaanesh, and 1 khorne.

The army overall will be black legion BUT I want to paint the above squads in pink, blue and gold, and red respectivesly.

Does that make it clearer?

Da Mighty Camel

· #4 · Feb 10, 2006

Yeah I got it now, got kind of confused :wacko:
You also want a normal chaos army? well, whats the problem then? Is there a better way to show what mark a unit have then to paint them in their gods color? No.
Look in the 'dex, you will notice that all BL-armies that include mark-units have painted them in the marks colors.

Andusciassus

· #5 · Feb 10, 2006

You'd have to do like this.
Lord of undivided.
Lt bearing mark of a god+ retuine of chosen
another squad of Chosen bearing a different mark.
the two other cult troops as elites.

So,
Lord MoCU
Slaanesh LT+ Noice marine chosen
Chosen of Khorne
Plauge Marines (troop or havocs)
Thousand sons (Troop)

they would all be Elites.

You could use Daemons for Troops and Fastattack.

Good Luck, Please post the list on the Army List board so we can see and comment

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Retard

· #6 · Feb 10, 2006

that is 4 elite choices though. i think in the chaos faq or chapter aproved it says a retenue of chosen counts as an elites choice. not sure tho but just what i think i read somewhere

Da Mighty Camel

· #7 · Feb 10, 2006

Retard said:
that is 4 elite choices though. i think in the chaos faq or chapter aproved it says a retenue of chosen counts as an elites choice. not sure tho but just what i think i read somewhere

Yeah that is correct.

Andusciassus

· #8 · Feb 10, 2006

that is 4 elite choices though.

You can field three units of chosen as one Elite choice. Two as Retuines and one as a free roaming unit.

Retard

· #9 · Feb 10, 2006

oh rite yeah of course. thanks for pointing that out

Caluin

· #10 · Feb 10, 2006

There is no restriction on how you paint your troops, other than the three colour minimum for sanctioned tournies. If you want your Marked units to bear their original Chapter colours, there is nothing stopping you. In fact, it could be quite fluffy - an Abbadon in training is bringing together all the Legions under one banner, and the first three legions to heed the call were.....

So long as you follow the rules for creating your army, there should be nothing that anyone would be able to complain about. Is the army legal? Then go for it.

buzzin_yoof

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 11, 2006

Cheers for the ideas guys.

I was thinking that if I gave the lord a mark (eg slaanesh) then the noise marines would not be elites so I could get one of each of the 4 marked troop squads.

Still got to work on the army list, I'll post it when done. It's half term now (teacher not pupil btw!) so I've got some time off to waste on little men!

Thanks for help again dudes

Andusciassus

· #12 · Feb 11, 2006

I was thinking that if I gave the lord a mark (eg slaanesh) then the noise marines would not be elites so I could get one of each of the 4 marked troop squads.

Beware of this illegality friend.
Read p 38 and the ancient enemy rules. If your lord has the mark of Slaanesh you cannot use any Khornates in the army. Non at all.

shoottokill

· #13 · Feb 11, 2006 (Edited)

Andusciassus said:
You can field three units of chosen as one Elite choice. Two as Retuines and one as a free roaming unit.

I'm not so sure about this - the book says 4-19 troops as the retinue for the lord and/or his lt.This suggests to me that the 4-19 troops mentioned is split between the retinues for the lord and his lt. Combined with the free roaming unit, this makes for two elite squads formed from the retinue (which is 1 elites choise on the FOC) , + the normal 2 elites choices from the force organization chart - making a total of 4 elites choices. Andusciassus' suggestion for an HQ still fits within these guidelines.

I'd love to be wrong on this

Andusciassus

· #14 · Feb 11, 2006

1 retuine mark 1(chosen)+1 unit mark 2(chosen)= 1 FOC-slot
1 unit (Elite, troop, FA or HS) mark 3 = 1 FOC-slot
1 unit (Elite, troop, FA or HS) mark4 =1 FOC-slot

= four marked units in three slots.

LordLink

· #15 · Feb 11, 2006

well I play eldar swordwind and black legion that draws on all other legions, painted in their original colours so this thread was quite funny for me.

None of my friends have objected to a "low resilience" high firepower and high speed army even though it is usually unfluffy. People on the forums have said this is a good idea and no-one has said its to unfluffy yet. So go ahead its a great idea.

buzzin_yoof

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 13, 2006

Andusciassus said:
Beware of this illegality friend.
Read p 38 and the ancient enemy rules. If your lord has the mark of Slaanesh you cannot use any Khornates in the army. Non at all.

D'oh - what a fool. Sorry, I forgot that rule.

I still like the idea of "one of each" but I'm going to just go for 2 at the moment.

Please see this thread and give advice if you are all able.

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/showthread.php?p=589323&posted=1#post589323

Thanks

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