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ok for my new chapter i don't think i'm gonna go with "be as swift as the wind". I'm just gonna use bikes instead of assault squads. Now i know i'm using the see, but don't be seen which is * pts/model. I like the trust your battle brothers which gives me true grit and counter attack for *pts/model but if i take both true grit, counter charge, and infiltrate my marines will be 21 pts/model. So my question is should i take the trait "take the fight to thme instead giving me 2 attacks at least but me missing out on counter charge...thanks.
 

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I'd take "Take the Fight to Them"...keeping your basic soldiers cheap is always a good idea. Range isn't a big deal with infiltrating troops anyway.
 

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Intrepid said:
I'd take "Take the Fight to Them"...keeping your basic soldiers cheap is always a good idea. Range isn't a big deal with infiltrating troops anyway.
The only problem i have with that is what if i go up against a close combat army, do i not infiltrate and wait till they get close, then move towards them, shoot and assault?
 

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Your true grit/counter charge idea is good, but at 21 points a piece its not worth it (if you want that play the 13th company).

Infiltrate combined with counter charge is an awesome combination, it makes marines absolutely nighmares to shift in assault without using dedicated CC units.

Take the fight to them is good, but it works better in rhino armies (where everything has a transport) or possibly drop pod armies.

I say keep counter charge.
 

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The_Outsider said:
Your true grit/counter charge idea is good, but at 21 points a piece its not worth it (if you want that play the 13th company).

Infiltrate combined with counter charge is an awesome combination, it makes marines absolutely nighmares to shift in assault without using dedicated CC units.

Take the fight to them is good, but it works better in rhino armies (where everything has a transport) or possibly drop pod armies.

I say keep counter charge.
umm....if i take counter charge then i also have to take true grit at *points. They come together according to the trait which would make my guys 21 pts/model.
 

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Yeah,I know (though I didn't say), I think it would be worth it if applied correctly, tactical squads in rhinos rushing up to jump out and rapid fire are lethal with that combination when the counter attack comes.
 

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Yeah,I know (though I didn't say), I think it would be worth it if applied correctly, tactical squads in rhinos rushing up to jump out and rapid fire are lethal with that combination when the counter attack comes.
oops...i understand now...but i still want to infiltrate though. Thats cheaper than taking rhinos for each squad.
 

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Agreed, I suppose it come down to how you play, infiltrate is good but can't be used in all missions, which is a problem if you are making a generic list, rhinos can always be used but aren't as good as infiltrate.

It all comes down to how you play, footslogging is good, but its a lot easier with infiltrate.
 

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Agreed, I suppose it come down to how you play, infiltrate is good but can't be used in all missions, which is a problem if you are making a generic list, rhinos can always be used but aren't as good as infiltrate.

It all comes down to how you play, footslogging is good, but its a lot easier with infiltrate.
ok...so do you think it will be terrible if i take both skills for 21 pts/model or will it do decent?
 

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It won't be terrible, it will be powerful, but you are making a list that will have some holes(even if you include a few tanks).

The reason I say that is as I play 13th company you get all the abilities (bar infiltrate), more attacks and a host of other abilities that make the awesome CC warriors, the lack of tanks hurt but it balances out the list. What you are proposing to do will make a list that is hard, but the strengths (IMO) won't outweigh the cost of the marines.

Its a very cool list and you should try it for friendlies down your local club/GW, but for any sort of competitive play its going to be a poor list.

Thats just my opinion anyway.
 

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Have a bolt pistol and CCW on troops with infiltrate is a pretty good idea. Its more effect then true grit for the following reasons:

Launching charges you will gain +1 attack, AND be able to shoot your pistol, where with true grit, you wont gain an attack, OR shoot your gun.

It will be EXTREAMLY rare for you to not be able to make attacks with all your models anyway, so counter attack is largly wasted, remember your not a space wolve, so you dont get any way to creat bonus attacks from counter charging.

21 point space marines are a bad idea anyway you look at it.

Be sure to add lots of melta guns to this list, to suplment for heavy firepower, as well as powerfists, to get you through CC.
 
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