Three points of interest...

First... that FW triple twin linked Lascannon pack is the sweetest piece of kit I’ve ever seen on a "chopper"... I want that soooo bad.

Second... the actual answer to my question is... WTF

How can anyone kit out a Vendy using the Codex version of rules... Hellfury missiles don't exist and aren't even a rumor yet, and god knows when the FW pack will be really available.

So that means, either, you kit it out with the simple bits that come in the kit and wait for the cream to be released by FW... or, make Valks only.

Third... I'm not surprised at the GW outcome, once again, and I agree with you that the Valk came first 18 months of planning ago, and the Vendy was thought up during GW little lunch 18 weeks ago and squeezed into the Codex.

Rest assured, I'm still getting a "few" and will absolutely be kitting out with the six pack Las cannons.

Also... WHAT are Heavy bolter sponsons??? Surely they don't mean the door guns...?

Another point... Did you notice the wording for the Vendy weapon fit out in the Codex...

"The Valkyrie can be outfitted with a wide variety of weapon payloads, one of which is dubbed the Vendetta. Multiple Lascannon hard points allow the Vendetta to function as a dedicated gunship,"

So, based upon that... If you change weapon fitout... it changes the name??

I think, until further documentation is produced, that it would be fair game to call them ALL Valkyries and once we have a definitive number of hard points decided... fit them out with whatever weapons are available from GW or FW.

Also, FW are going to release (eventually??) a resin Vulture body for the Valk GW kit... that will be sweet as well... an even cheaper version... and then... the sweetest pack of all time... the Punisher kit.

I'm also looking at the FW Drop Sentinel... the codex may not say that you can, but, it doesn't say that you can't either.

Mik

 

"The Valkyrie can be outfitted with a wide variety of weapon payloads, one of which is dubbed the Vendetta. Multiple Lascannon hard points allow the Vendetta to function as a dedicated gunship,"

Stella, mate, Did you miss this part of my post

The Vendetta IS the Valkyrie, just with different weapons.

Such as strong commitment "neither a Valkyrie or Vendetta" and then justify with the not so strong "probably".

Old FW rules?... check out page 22 from the latest which is IA:Apocalypse 2008... thats not going to change soon at all.

Your comments seem more confused than mine

Mik

 

In terms of naming Vendetta are Valkyrie. Just like all the Leman Russ varients have fancy names for weapon loadouts like Exterminator ect., but they're still a Leman Russ.

The triple Lascannon loadout is the "stock" version included in the base cost. You can replace the wing mounts with 2 Hellfury missles. Those are bolter strength blasts that ignore cover. In terms of waiting for the full FW kit why not just convert it yourself? There's plenty of plastic TL lascannons out there that you could use. Or just make a placeholder and count-as for a while.

The Valk and the Vendetta have the same number of hardpoints as you can see in the FW conversion kit. And yes Sponsons are the door gunners.

With what versions to use I don't think it's a problem that the IA ones are different. Just specify that you're using the "Flyer" version in Apoc games if you want and only use what's availible in that book for those points. If you want to use the new IG skimmer, same goes for that.

Hope that clears some things up

PS. I agree that a resin vulture body would be great. I was never really interested in them but the TL punisher would be supercool.

 

Originally Posted by Lord Castellan Mik
So on May 2, how do you kit out a Vendetta then?

You don't, as I understand it, the extra parts for the Vendetta aren't in the kit, you have to wait for an upgrade later on down the line.

 

This is a "Vendetta" at GW Openday 2009, built by GW

What is a Vendetta… asked on Ammobunker
Answer... Unsure, they wouldn't release its name, but we found it in the literature on one of the stands (at the Open Day) . Its basically a Vulture payload on a Valk to save bringing the Vulture on in plastic form.

Please don't get me wrong... I love the triple Las cannon kit from FW and I WILL be getting some, but the point of this thread is not the rules frm C:IG or FW:IA, and while I also understand AND agree that the Valkyrie and other names are similar in concept to the LR and other names, the question still startlingly exists... WTF... what is the real fit out for the Vendetta come May 2.

C:IG 2009 does not effectively wipe out ALL other C:IG... what about Gaunt, Last Chancers, lord Solar....etc, look what happened to the Squats... gone forever... because the codex changed?

FW IS GW and thes questions should not be required, however... hence confusion, but surely I am not the only IG player salivating over the release of the valkyrie... seeing the vendetta... and wow what a piece of kit for the price, now I'll by 3... oh... HOW DO YOU FIT THEM OUT come May 2.

Mik

 

*reads everything asked.................head explodes from confusion*
the one in the pic is neither a Valkyrie or vendetta, its probably just built wrong or randomly or based off the old FW rules which will soon no longer apply really

if you want a Valkyrie you buy the basic kit and build it, because thats what the kit is for, its not for making a vendetta otherwise the box would say so like the stormlord one did

if you want a vendetta you either wait till GW makes a conversion pack, or convert your own using 6 Heavy weapon team lascannons and gluing them to your Valkyrie to make 3 Twin-linked lascannons

 

Forgeworld are already on the ball about the conversion stuff. Warhammer 40k & Warhammer Fantasy Battle News | Bell of Lost Souls: 40K NEWS: FW Openday 2009 - Part 2 , second picture.

E.

 

Look guys, this isn't a slang match over what is comeing eventually... as I said, WHEN FW release the Las cannon kit I will be getting some...

This is about what is now...

In Feb, at GW OD they showed THEIR models of a Valk with one wing weapon AND with two wing weapons, plus the ammobunker comment, means Vendetta......... weapons from the avalable GW kit bits

In March, the French Codex leaked and showed new Codex entries Valk and Vendy (names / stats ony)

In April, at FW OD they showed the Vendetta Las cannon kit

In May, the Codex IG will show the Vendetta has one wing weapon - the FW Las cannon kit

FW do not change their IA rules readily nor just because and instantly because GW change their Codex rules... there is still the Baneblade IA and GW rules, and the Shadowsword is still IA and GW rules.

We have had info for many vehicles that are in IA only that have been converted rather than buying expensive FW kits... conversion is also not an issue of this thread... GW rumours state that plastic for all is also comeing, but don't know when.

My thread is a simple question / statement... IF GW show us one version in Feb then a total change in May... why do we ignore it without comment... that is it!

I will convert HWT Las cannon bits if FW take too long.
I will buy the FW kit if its released soon.
I will be flying Vendys more than Valks (coz of their price / weapon fit out).
I will still buy GW stuff coz I love the game.
I will still comment, when it's required... I don't rant just to build my post count.

Mik

 

FW do not change their IA rules readily nor just because and instantly because GW change their Codex rules...

yes they do, and have, look at Imperial Armour II, very soon after the marine codex release they changed everything from IA II to update to the marine codex

My thread is a simple question / statement... IF GW show us one version in Feb then a total change in May... why do we ignore it without comment... that is it!

we ignore it because they can change it, there is a BIG difference between February and may for gods sake, allot of things can change over that period of time, they have done it hundreds of times before and nobody has complained in a confusing manner

 

By gosh, I do so hope they publish a book of rules especially for the Imperial Guard that will explain all the options for each vehicle and model. Maybe then we can just use that instead of guessing at unreleased model options!

 

Oh ya got me Stella...

Yes, ONCE, in their entire history have they changed IA rules to correspond directly with GW rules...

If, however, you actually read that update of IA2, the opening paragraphs state that this occured directly because... the release of 5ed new 40K rules, AND the release of Apocalypse, AND the release of the new Codex SM (remember that SM are the CORE bread and butter product of GW that outsells ALL other products and systems combined).

Not quite descriptive of "yes they do, and have".

Not being totally obtuse, I agree with you, that if it EVER happens again... it will be for IG, and only again for the same above reasons... NOT just because a new Codex was released.

But I'm not holding my breath nor counting on it... as ALWAYS with the game of GW / IA cat and mouse... WE the players will decide at our game what is and what isn't.

That's the GW way to play... have fun.

Some of you out there TOTALLY miss ALL the points from this and other threads, and more importantly... the point of this (and others) forum... debate not criticism, advice not rebuke, information not abuse.

I had something to say and if you had a serious comment for my thread... I'm still waiting...

It looks like I'm not alone in my quest for info based upon the other posters... so, if you are just loitering, please loiter elsewhere.

A few of us are STILL wondering on the answer

Thanks, Mik

 

A few of us are STILL wondering on the answer

What was the question?

 

Gee, thanks for your comment... I count four actual questions…

(1) What are Hellfury missiles???
(2) So on May 2, how do you kit out a Vendetta then?
(3) WHAT are Heavy bolter sponsons??? Surely they don't mean the door guns...?
(4) If you change weapon fitout... it changes the name??

However, the thread only relates to one question really…
So on May 2, how do you kit out a Vendetta then?

Obviously it refers to the “actual and physical” fitout, and not a repeat of the up coming Codex entry

I know that I can convert a twin linked Las cannon, but I have no idea what a Hellfury missile is.

I also would like to know if GW is correct or if GW is correct… in relation to under wing weapon hard points... above is a GW model, and yes I have read the new GW codex.

I reluctantly agree that the model is going to become a mirage and fade away, and that the Codex and FW bitz will prevail.

But one can always dream for clarity, just like one dreams for a plastic Thunderhawk or [enter dream here].

Mik

 

(1) What are Hellfury missiles???
(2) So on May 2, how do you kit out a Vendetta then?
(3) WHAT are Heavy bolter sponsons??? Surely they don't mean the door guns...?
(4) If you change weapon fitout... it changes the name??

1. Hellfury missiles are a set of missiles that may replace 2 of the T-L Lascannons on the Vendetta. Their AP value isn't so great, and they are only 1 shot, HOWEVER They are defensive weapons (or as far as I can tell they are, but there may be something in the new ruleset to refute this) meaning you can move up to 12" and fire them. And they ignore cover, making them fairly potent weapons, and then your Vendetta can turn around and fire on some tanks with her third T-L las.

2. 2 Fury Vendettas and a Vanilla Valkyrie.

I know that I can convert a twin linked Las cannon, but I have no idea what a Hellfury missile is.

It's a missile, I bet there is a picture in the army book but I was too busy at the store paying attention to the entries and drooling over them than the pictures... and there aren't pictures on the web as far as I know. Personally when I build my three Valkyries I am going to give them all magnets to swap out the weapons for what I want depending on the situation (so I don't have to buy 20+ Valks and can get by on just the 9).

3. Yes, they do. And they are main weapons, making your Valk/Vend less able to move. Personally I see them as a waste of points on a model that should fly in, fire it's missiles, and then be considered dead (used if it doesn't, but the purpose is the missiles or single round anti-tank, not an all battle survivor).

4. Not in the slightest. One is a Valkyrie, the other is the Vendetta, both are Valkyries and one probably hails from another forge world than the other. However I like calling Rocket Pod Valkyries "Tornados" and Hellfury Missile Vendettas "Furies", however they are the same thing as what they are purchased as from the Army Book (Vendettas or Valkyries).

Further on 2:

A Vanilla Vendetta has 3 twin lascannons, it can swap 2 for Hellfury Missiles (1 shot anticover demi-gods). While the Valkyrie is kitted with a multilaser and 2 Hellstrike missiles which can be swapped for pods (defensive weapons that are more than one shot) and the multilaser can be swapped for a lascannon (a waste of points in my opinion).

I really hope I helped, you seem a bit aggitated in this thread and I don't want to get my head bitten off but I tried answering your questions to the best of my ability based on your wording of the questions, and I don't think I could be clearer without just handing you the codex itself.

 

Thanks for your input mate, no bitting on this thread, only sarcasm where due.

I understand the Codex entries, however, my Q1 still stands, there is no image, CAD drawing, hint nor rumour from FW nor GW in IA or any GW Codex or suplement... that shows what a Hellfury is, only what a Hellstrike is.

I know then, in that case we can convert anything from a ballbearing to a toothbrush and use it in accordance with the Codex... but I want more... I want to see one, even if it is never released.

For Q2, FW have released a triple twin linked Las cannon kit for the Vendetta and the Codex supports that as its fitout... pics of the kit are on the FW Open Day thread.

Your ideas are great, similar to what I was thinking... where as GW have stated in the Codex that Valkyries change name with weapon fitout... I was thinking of following the "V" trend - next was Vengeance.

I just cannot believe (Q3) that they dare call 'door mounted' a sponson... I just can't.

on Q4, linked to your ideas... the new Codex actually states that a Valk is fitted out with 'A', and the use of fitout 'B' dubs the Valk as a Vendy.

This leads us to create our own dubbed versions... twin linked Auto cannons is the 'Vengeance', twin linked Heavy bolters is the 'Valiant'... sounds cool.

Lastly, why do you prefer Multilaser over Las cannon?

Mik

 

there is no image, CAD drawing, hint nor rumour from FW nor GW in IA or any GW Codex or suplement... that shows what a Hellfury is, only what a Hellstrike is.

I think the big missiles under the wings in the picture you posted are representative of both Hellstrikes and Hellfuries.

 

I can agree with you both... in that we can easily assume, without confirmation, that a Hellstrike and Hellfury internal contents can be represented by a Hellstrike model, though maybe different colour tips to differentiate.

And if you believe the pic that I posted of the GW Vendy from Feb... then you can make both from the box... otherwise, no you can't, only bits for the Codex Valk are in the box.

I'm running Apoc lists... a Company of Kasrkin utilising Imperial Navy detachments of Valks, Vendys and Vultures - using Valks as Hueys for the troops, Vendys as Huey gunships for Platoon support, and Vultures as Huey Cobras for Company support... 24 all up.

Mik

 

I searched for the sprues online and got:

Warhammer 40k & Warhammer Fantasy Battle News | Bell of Lost Souls: 40k SNEAK PEEK: IG Plastic Valkyrie Unveiled

They have multilasers, a lascannon, and rocket launchers as well as missiles. Fairly depressing from the look of it.

But the single lascannon I will probably use as a visual reference, and from that sculpt my own with 2 on it, then I will reproduce 3 of those for that side gun next to the window, after that I will use those again as a guide to make twin lascannons for the wings. Hopefully it will work well.

 

I searched for the sprues online and got:

Warhammer 40k & Warhammer Fantasy Battle News | Bell of Lost Souls: 40k SNEAK PEEK: IG Plastic Valkyrie Unveiled

They have multilasers, a lascannon, and rocket launchers as well as missiles. Fairly depressing from the look of it.

I've got one right here. 2 big missiles, 2 heavy bolters, 2 missile pods, a multi-laser and a lascannon on the sprue.


Plus crew on foot! Mission objective counter-a-rama!!

 

You could always magnetise the weapons and create a second wing hard point for those opponents that agree with the GW Feb version Vendetta.

Also check out the FW Open Day thread...

Or use spare Las cannons from Heavy weapon teams and convert as above pic shows... Valk is GW, weapons are FW kit (to be released ???).

Paint Monkey, can the stand be cut down to create different flying / hover heights, or does the stand leg taper too wide?

Mik

 

Wow you killed this thread for the same reason I was scared to actually say anything in the first place, haha.

I think the answers have been given. However if GW starts selling a Vendetta kit then we will know for sure, and after that if you have different looking missiles you'll probably get yelled at. Go GW.

I would assume it would be an actual missile instead of a bomb since it has such a long range. In fact you could probably pull using a Hunter Killer Missile as Hellfuries. From all the knowledge we have you could go to a game with a Snickers bar as a Hellfury.

 

archonofdeath... Thanks for your time and comments, I read your thread and I like the ideas.

As you said Go GW.

If it wasn't for the GW pic of a two hard point "Valkyrie / Vendeta" and then noticing the two hard point FW one in IA:Apoc... I would never had bothered with this thread... So... I apologise to you if you felt awkward about posting.

The triple twin linked Las cannon looks wicked for AT... then use the Multi rocket pod for anti inf... forget the "one shot" missiles.

Mik