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No longer do I fear Abaddon or Ahriman... You know who I really fear? That Damn Khorne Lord who seems to be leading ever WE army I've seen. (no not Kharn...) I'm sure you've all seen him. He's huge... has Daemonic Stature. Daemonic Armor, and carries a Berserker Glaive. He also usually has Feel no pain and Rage of Khorne. Sometimes there are minor variations but this fella seems to be everywhere... What is the deal? Have the mighty forces of Chaos turned to cloning?

Seriously, this has become rediculous. The last tournament I attended there were 5 World Eater armies there. After viewing their army lists I realized the Khorne Lords were all identically equipped... taking note of this I began to notice it in every other WE army I seemed to come across. Where's the originality guys? There is something seriously wrong with the rules when everyone seems to select exactly the same gear for thier lord. Yes, I know these items are awesome and hard to resist buying for your leader but in the end it makes me sad that the ingenuity of 40K players has gone vastly down hill.

The only way I could really see it being explained is something like this.

"Due to a cowardly attack by the Scum of the Universe, The Emperor's Children, the Mighty Khorne's Wholesale Emporium must close it's doors FOREVER! EVERYTHING MUST GO! Slightly water-damaged Berserker Glaives, were 20,000 credits each, Now they can be had for the rediculously low price of 200 credits! Daemonic Stature and Daemonic Armor, used to carry the heavy price tag of one's soul. But now they can both be had for the measly price of 500 credits, or buy the pair and save an additional 20% You wont find prices like this anywhere else in the galaxy! Its a fire sale at Mighty Khorne's Wholesale Emporium! Get there before the doors close For ALL TIME! And tell 'em Kharn sent ya!"
 

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I'd hate to say it but my lord had the berzerker glaive and damonic stature, until i found that the damonic stature and dread axe are a much better combo. he also has a few other things. that i'm not willing to divuldge.

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* looks at his Khorne Lord with Stature, Flight, FnP, Berzerker Glaive, and some other stuff.

Hmmmmmm... you could be right hehe, but admit: its a good combo.
 

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Truly a good combo...
I prefer:
Daemon Prince w/ Mark of Khorne, Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Flight, Berzerker Glaive, Daemonic Essence, Feel no Pain. This thing can take alot of hits, is hella fast, and b**ch to kill in close combat. I'm still wondering if I should switch Daemonic Essence with Furious charge for the extra str and initiative. As for everyone having the same Khorne Prince, we like to get our points worth out of our HQs :)
 

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my daemon prince has a berzerker glaive, daemon stature, daemon speed, mark of khorne, daemonic mutation, daemon strenght, and daemon resilience and finaly daemon essence. this daemon prince has won many battes for me because it was able to move 24 inches a turn sometimes. :D
 

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yeah my WE lord is the same glaive, stature etc. but the ***** do you think a khorne lord is supposed to do? combat right? so you give him the best things for survival and combat and because the khorne list is extremely limited everyone takes the same ***** for their lord. by the way does everyone here give their lord a collar of khorne??? i sure as hell do.
 

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I'd like to, but I just dont have the room for points <_< . By the way, my daemon prince has strength instead of essence now. Little more effective in my opinion.
 

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The beserker glaive is rubbish. You count as an independant unit and may be targetted as normal. That means you can shoot him with all the heavy weapons you like, and that 4+ save will only protect him against 50% of insta-killing shots...and no amount of feel no pain will save that.

I take a dark blade, much better.
 

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Daemonic Stature adds plus one to toughness, so it can only be instant killed by strength 10 attacks. Other than that, I get to use feel no pain (an additional 4+ save) on anything but powerfists and power swords. Do you use Daemonic Stature Logan? If you do, he can be singled out and targeted anyway, so why not go for the glaive? Here's a little math on his saves:
5 space marines with lascannon shoot at a dp with Stature and FnP:
Of those, 3.33 lascannons hit
of those, 2.77 wound,
now for the first inv save:
of those, 1.38 wound. Now for feel no pain:
.69 of one wounds
On average, a Daemon Prince with feel No Pain and Stature, will take .69 wounds from 5 lascannon shots. Feel no pain doesn't look too bad there, does it? :)
 

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Originally posted by Epyon@Nov 23 2003, 09:23
Truly a good combo...
I prefer:
Daemon Prince w/ Mark of Khorne, Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Flight, Berzerker Glaive, Daemonic Essence, Feel no Pain. This thing can take alot of hits, is hella fast, and b**ch to kill in close combat. I'm still wondering if I should switch Daemonic Essence with Furious charge for the extra str and initiative. As for everyone having the same Khorne Prince, we like to get our points worth out of our HQs :)
have you read the part of the codex that states donot rool if you have demonic flight to berzerk?
 

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I never take stature, no.

I would assume it's a better combo if you do that though, as you've illustrated.

Looks a bit cheesy though lol
 

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Yup, and I'm okay with it SirKiswi. I'd like to have a constant rate of 12" movement rather than an erratic rate of 7" to 12". Besides, wings look a lot cooler than "mutations such as long limbs or four legs that allow it to move like cavalry" ;) . I also count the wings as speed, saying that they were not fully functional but instead assisted in running. Not all things with wings fly. I'd have to make it clear to my opponent, of course.

Logan, remember that feel no pain does not work on wounds inflicted by power weapons and powerfists, so he's very vulnerable to those. He is very strong against shooting, so the standard tactic of "Shoot the DP before he can get me!" will not work as well on him. However, roll enough dice and he will fail some saves.

BTW, I changed my prince:
Daemon Prince "Barbatos" w/ Mark of Khorne, Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Flight, Daemonic Strength, Berzerker Glaive, Feel No Pain.

Right now I'm liking the 6 Strength over the previous 4 wounds.

Later
 

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wow my friends lord has that stuff aswell i personaly would never spend more then 200pts on anything well maybe a landraider but 1 guy geesh even though its worth it ive seen 1 lord take down 32gaunts all by himself a slow but interesting combat only taking bout 5 turns
 

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SirKiswi Posted on Nov 24 2003, 12:01
have you read the part of the codex that states donot rool if you have demonic flight to berzerk?
that rule covers Berzerker not lords, there are nothing that does not allow a Khorne lord have wing(unless they are white feathered wing). hey my lord uses deamonic speed and I found it easier to convert it using wings.
 

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how do ya convert for daemonic speed? seriously how do ya make a model look faster make him blurry so it seems like hes going fast? roller blades? hmm roller blades that would look interesting
 

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No offense to resident Chaos players, but Chaos has always struck me as a cheeser's army. Andy Chambers and everyone else at Games Workshop have turned Chaos Marines into walking cheese zombies because they get off on how dark and gritty Chaos is. Comes as no surprise to me that most of the Chaos WE are using one character and one load-out...Chaos players play to win, not creatively.

Flame away :D
 

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yes, i would agree that the chaos army list is open to abuse. that is why for quite some time i refused to play as chaos, and often, play against it as well. this comes down to what i always try to instill in new players, and what i always try to practice; have a theme for your army, look at the nature and spirit of the army as mentioned in the 40k back ground, and try to keep it in that. when i started my thousand sons army, for example. couple people encouraged me to simply take 2 5 man squads of thousand sons, so i would have my manditory troops, then just buy up 3 squads of chosen. this would potentially give me 3 squads of sorcerors with bolt of change who wouldn't need to make a psychic test to cast this awesome power! many could then be armed with power weapons, giving me a virtual army of close combat monsters with range 24, str 8, ap 2 assault weapons.
tempting, very, very tempting. heck, i could make some of them terminators too, while i was at it. i won't even get into what i could do if i bought possessed instead of chosen.
needless to say, i didn't feel that this would be in keeping with the back ground of the thousand sons, whom are portrayed as a legion of metal gollums.
remember, this isn't a real war going on, where anything goes.
this is just a game, and the point is to have fun.
people don't usually enjoy having absolutly no chance against your army.
 

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Cheesy? Maybe. I like to think of it as a limited army. The Thousand Sons army you mentioned has very few figures and is easily outmaneuvered and surrounded. A WE army with very few troops and a souped up Daemon Prince would be butchered in the same fashion. Nothing is invincible.
 

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Originally posted by AC_Defiler@Nov 28 2003, 05:52
SirKiswi Posted on Nov 24 2003, 12:01


that rule covers Berzerker not lords, there are nothing that does not allow a Khorne lord have wing(unless they are white feathered wing). hey my lord uses deamonic speed and I found it easier to convert it using wings.
the rule covers models using damonic flight, last i checked a lord is a model. but i only wanted to point out thatr you dont get the extra d6 move. thatnks for letting me know.
 
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