deathwatch alternatives

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CaptShrike

Discussion Starter · Feb 4, 2006

Ok i know this should be in rulesd develoment but hey, I think and play (when agreed and argued and agreed) that in a killtea you should be able to take any special character from any chapter. I.e. Raven guard deathwatch taking ezekial or mephiston (painted different)veer ver slightly)) would you in any case consider this rule?

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The_Outsider

· #2 · Feb 4, 2006

Personally, no. Killteam is a fairly fluffy game ans special characters houldn't be there any way, but thats not here nor there, but taking (for example) Dante in a space wolf killteam just screams foul play.

For one, in such small games special characters own for a start, but when you combine one chapters strength with another you cross the line on whats true and fair.

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Tubal

· #3 · Feb 8, 2006

CaptShrike said:
Ok i know this should be in rulesd develoment but hey, I think and play (when agreed and argued and agreed) that in a killtea you should be able to take any special character from any chapter. I.e. Raven guard deathwatch taking ezekial or mephiston (painted different)veer ver slightly)) would you in any case consider this rule?

Do you mean the mini game "Kill Team" or the unit "Deathwatch Kill-team"? The answer is no in both cases, but for different reasons.

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CaptShrike

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 9, 2006

lol

sob* i loved playin that rule, my friend uses eldar phoenix lords for his

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HavenDan

· #5 · Feb 11, 2006

you know you can still do it if you feel like it, no ones stopping you, i let my friend take four grey kngiht terminators and captain stern in a kill team and i ended up winning (2 against 1 , it was hilarious)

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Deek

· #6 · Feb 11, 2006

Well if you read captain shrike info published in a white dwarf I fogot the # but it explains how he and the remains of his company or chapter or whatever and he conducted hit and runs and raids on critical locations. Sounds like a kill team to me.

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CaptShrike

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 11, 2006

Hmm

That is a good point, And i ment a deathwatch kill-team unit, not the mini-game (sorry bout that) it sounds cool, 5 deathwatch members breaking into some high - security cryo bay with ezekial keeper of the keys leading them, its really imaginative and is what could probably happen in 40k, like Sam fisher leads the navy seels in splinter cell, or masterchief leads the mairnes in halo, it sounds like a crack commando group

W kill team lead by a top character model

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The Daywalker

· #8 · Feb 11, 2006

No offence but that is a stupid idea. One Deathwatch are made from everychapter that is able to send marines. Two why would a special character want to leave his chapter for a long time and be in service of the =I=, this would mean he isnt in charge. Three if a leader like Dante left or Grimnar left who would lead? I dont want to be mean when i say this but its just a dumb idea. And my last question would be why would Ezkiel want to be in a raven guard kill team?

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CaptShrike

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 11, 2006

arghhhhhhh

no one understands me! ffs im not an idiot

shifty: ) obviously not a chapter master thats insane! but in small, non competitive, sunday afternoon games where you want to try something original and fun i play this. And it wouldnt be a Raven Guard kill team, your saying the Raven Guard own the kill team!?:wacko: a kill team is a group of elite alien hunters who are there to serve crack missions behind the enemy lines. They are called from the chamber militant when war escalates passed a certain point and are lead by the DW captain, not Raven guard themselves!

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Tubal

· #10 · Feb 13, 2006

CaptShrike said:
And it wouldnt be a Raven Guard kill team, your saying the Raven Guard own the kill team!?:wacko

Actually, you said that:

CaptShrike said:
I.e. Raven guard deathwatch taking ezekial or mephiston (painted different)veer ver slightly))

And the scenario you described above sounds more like like a kill-team minigame scenario with a unit of dark angels lead by Ezekiel.

You are a bit incoherent...

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Deek

· #11 · Feb 14, 2006

I understand what you are saying completely and I recomend the novel Warriors of Ultramar it is about the tyranid fleet that attacked taris ultra and the defense of it and the adventure of Uriel Vetris who leaves command (Ulramarines 4th company) to join a death watch kill team to destroy the hive queen and defeat the entire fleet in one blow. It is a great book and exactly what you are talking about and the ending is a bit shocking. Totally unexpected. It is a great idea and would and should happen all of the time. If an elite strike team can cause more damage to an enemy than an entire drawn out battle between two armies, why wouldn't they. This same thing happens in the new book Armagedon there is a kill team consisting of a champlain, an emperor's champion, several marines (4) and a dreadnought.

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CaptShrike

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 14, 2006

warriors of ultramar?

ive read nightbringer and started this book, i got to the DW team with Uriel leaving command of the 4th company to some inquisit guy?! what appened at the end?

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scoot

· #13 · Feb 14, 2006

i fink this a good rule as death watch kill teams are made up of lots of elite marines and the inquisition may call a charecter to lead them into dire situations also i think you should be able to have deathwatch terminators,chaplins,librarians(epistolry(in addition to the captian)),tech marines and assult marines (as descrided in warrior brood)

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The_Giant_Mantis

· #14 · Feb 15, 2006 (Edited)

Special characters in the deathwatch = no.. I'm sorry, these characters already have a lot of fluff associated with them, and fulfill vital roles in their chapters. If Marneus Calgar suddenly decided to roam off and lead some kill team on a suicide mission into a wrecked space hulk, don't you think that'd be a slight problem for his chapter?

Deathwatch Terminators, Chaplains, Techmarines and the like, however, are quite possible, though not under current rules. Wait for codex alien hunters, which will doubtless introduce some, if not all of them.

In the meantime, if your opponent doesn't mind you using a deathwatch chaplain and you have a realistic points cost in mind (given that deathwatch are already more dangerous and therefore will benefit more from the chaplain's abilities) I fully invite you to go ahead.

For terminators, just use a terminator retinue, pay an extra 5 points each and give them the option to add special ammo to their storm bolters. Maybe give them the option to swap power fists for power weapons if they wish, as well, since deathwatch are generally more open to customized battle gear. Ultimately though, for balance sake make sure they're not much more cost effective than a regular kill team, which means not very. Since all deathwatch are veterans, they can probably all wear terminator armour anyway.. and might be issued it for certain missions.

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