Energy fields aren't near as good as holofields. However, they do have uses. Specifically, they're great against Tau. Other than that, they're eh. I guess they help a bit against Las Cannons, but holofields would help far more.
I've often thought about this too. I'm pretty sure it's all about game balance. Like you said, a wave serpent with a holofield would be as hard to kill as a falcon.farseer_seele said:am i the only one here who beleives the wave serpent's holo field to be uber crap, and that we would be much better served by being able to buy a holo-field, or did they do that to keep ppl from getting pwned by a nigh-invincible mech eldar list? thoughts plz...
am i the only one here who beleives the wave serpent's holo field to be uber crap,
trueit is however crap on a warwalker when str 8 weapons smash opened topped armor 10 vehicles.
drop pod anyone? dark eldar?Emp. said:1) Our transports are MUCH faster than other armies
yes, yes a rhino can do that. As you mentioned, pop smoke and you're good in a rhino, plus it has firing ports. Holds the same amount of men, but doesn't die if it gets immobolized moving more than 6", and can selfrepair, can a WS do that?2) If ours move 12", opponents may only glance, can a rhino do that after popping smoke?
rhino, no, but DE, and IG have many that can do better than that.3) Our Transport can have a str-6 ap-2 T-L starcannon on top, can a rhino match that?
but die if they get immobolized. When you factor this in, and the fact that our transport costs 2 times as much, it's not a great deal.4) Our transports have a higher AV than most other transports
and rhinos ignore stunned with armour, and can self repair immobolized, your point?5) Our transports are able to shrug off a glancing 1-3 on a simple roll of a die
Not better, just different. A wave serpent can certainly be kitted for more specific rolls than just transport (mine are my main anti tank, when I field them), but at the high cost, bad bs (even twinlinked) and the fact that they have no fireports, and aren't open topped, and the field sucks....Our transports are far superior to the inferior race of Marines.....besides for what we are getting, I'll glady pay for our Wave Serpeant...it alone can dish out more fire-power than certain "other-army" squads....
hilarious. THAT IS A TYPO. I was referring to its energy field, if you read the entry it can't even get a holo-field. so that was sorta spammish IMHO.Plague_00 said:
where can you find this in teh codex i am a wee bit confused by your sentence.tarzen said:we only have holofields, which confer a 4+ invulnerable to all glancing and pen hits. That's what the ws should have. better against some, worse against others.
really? i thought that you just couldn't shoot, or do any other actions in the shooting phase, or use CTM in conjunction. I hope you can use Star engines, doing so would make my life a lot easier.Da Mighty Camel said:You can't use star engines if you unload troops if my memory doesn't lie to me...
I think the WS is good as it is. A little exspensive, but that is everything in my favourite army![]()
yes, just not area terrainTenozuma said:Can a Rhino move over terrain without penalty?
yes, if it moved more than 6"Does a Rhino require 6's to be hit in combat?
no, as marines can't take aspects, just like a wave serpent can't take a librarian. Apples and oranges. But a rhino can take a basic squad of marines, much much cheaper than a wave serpent and aspects. A squad of marines that will stand up to shooting and most combat better than a squad of aspects or wraith guard. Fully kited squad of marines in a souped up rhino for 250pts, minimum of 330 for a similar waveserpent and aspects. that's another squad of marines with a heavy bolter.Can a Rhino transport deadly aspect warriors or wraithguard? They can't even take terminators.
again, apples and oranges. how many more points is a wave serpent? What's the wave serpents bs? The de can fire out of there transport, to add more guns to it too.Dark eldar on our transports have a bs 4 dark lance standard and for a low ammount of points can be upgraded to a disintergrator (identical to plasma cannon but with a 3 shot str 5 ap3 secondary mode)
A wave serpent has a bs3 twin linked heavy weapon of choice + twin linked shuriken catapults (can be upgraded)
no, reread p 67, if it is immobolized, and weapon destroyed, and then takes another hit...So a raider dies when it gets a weapon destroyed,
agreed, but has more weapons, and is half the points.has worse armour by alot,
a field that effects 3 guns in the game-wahoo. that's like saying a warwalker is better than a sentinel because it has a field.has no protective fields of any kind and cannot buy any
most certainly agreed here, but look at what it gains for this, which you addressed next {besides having the whole crew shootis open topped so easier to destroy
which is the biggest thing out there. If you could assault off a wave serpent, just think of the carnage. Part of why a landraider costs 230 some odd points. To assault after moving 12", then 2" disembark, gives you a charge range of 20", nearly half the board. Also, keep in mind that many of de's cc troops are better than eldars.but can assault.
No, the best tank would be the falcon, fully kitted. doesn't phase out, counts as a scoring unit, harder to kill than the landraider, can move up to 24" a turn, can be kitted to kill anything, fire up to 12 shots a turn, transport a seer council of death, and can tank shock.Don't gett me wrong, I love the raider, I plan to use several but the wave serpent is a contender for best trasnport in the game. I think its only rivalled by the land raider and its varients and the monolith but they are both a condsiderable ammount more expensive.
With star engines you move extra in the shooting phase. And I am very sure that you an move more than 24 if you have means to do it.tarzen said:edit: one note on starengines. Just like vectored engines, vehicles can only move up to 24" now, so they are redundant. Sorry to pop another bubble.
actually a lot more than 3 guns. remember that it helps against melta and ordinance as well.a field that effects 3 guns in the game-wahoo. that's like saying a warwalker is better than a sentinel because it has a field.