Favourite special warmachine?
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If you really want to use that rune I'd suggest using it on a bolt thrower. A cannon is too expensive for it. An exposed bolt thrower on the flank might draw some fast cav towards it, and then you either shoot one or two of them and defeat them in combat with some luck, or you just let it explode.
My favourite is the bolt thrower. It's very cheap, even with an engineer, it can pop chariots with the rune of penetrating, does D3 wounds just like a dwarf cannon and can perform the same tasks as a cannon (except sniping characters in a unit) but you can take a pair for the cost of one cannon with rune of forging.
My favourite is the bolt thrower. It's very cheap, even with an engineer, it can pop chariots with the rune of penetrating, does D3 wounds just like a dwarf cannon and can perform the same tasks as a cannon (except sniping characters in a unit) but you can take a pair for the cost of one cannon with rune of forging.
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Its all about the Grudge Thrower with Rune of Accuracy and Rune of Penetrating.
S5 Elf killing machine!!!!!
S5 Elf killing machine!!!!!
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They are just all good. My main reason for GT is that if you guess right (right to target fot Grudge Thrower or 6 inches short for Cannon) you have a higher chance of hitting with the GT.
In my 2000 point list I take both...
But BTs are good as well...
YOU ASK AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION!
In my 2000 point list I take both...
But BTs are good as well...
YOU ASK AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION!
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Grudge Trowers single handedly won me a game, I love those things,
Mate you are asking a dwarf general that which warmachine is better, he will answer you, with rune options! Dwarfs are the configuration kings for machines and equipments.
And if you ask a dwarf engineer specialised into a machine (eg. Bolthrower) he will start to praise his machine. if another engineer overhears his word he will start bragging about his machine (eg. GrudgeThrower), and there will huge quarrell and then everything will escalate into a big fight. Then after everything settles down both sitting shoulder by shoulder and telling each other some war stories with lots of beer.
And if you ask a dwarf engineer specialised into a machine (eg. Bolthrower) he will start to praise his machine. if another engineer overhears his word he will start bragging about his machine (eg. GrudgeThrower), and there will huge quarrell and then everything will escalate into a big fight. Then after everything settles down both sitting shoulder by shoulder and telling each other some war stories with lots of beer.
Lol. Good point although I wasn't asking which was better.
Everyone has a favourite - usually because of a war story (just a shame we can't drink beer) and that was what I was after. Which one is your favourtie and which runes do you give it?
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Well the story behind my grudgethrower choice would be this:
Playing against Dark Elves, had a nice shot lined up against a big block of Black Gaurd (2s to kill). I guessed perfectly but it scattered 10 inches away. When I rerolled for RoAccuracy it went in the EXACT same direction. However, this meant that it partially hit a Hydra handler, killed him and made the beast hun off the board!
From then on I've just let the boys decide what to shoot at, they seem to know better than me.
Playing against Dark Elves, had a nice shot lined up against a big block of Black Gaurd (2s to kill). I guessed perfectly but it scattered 10 inches away. When I rerolled for RoAccuracy it went in the EXACT same direction. However, this meant that it partially hit a Hydra handler, killed him and made the beast hun off the board!
From then on I've just let the boys decide what to shoot at, they seem to know better than me.
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I'll have to agree with the general consensus here, I reckon its the grudge thrower.
it presents the most potential for breaking units to peices in a single shot and is the easier of the two guess warmachines to use. hek, i use it for chariot sniping more often than not
the rune of accuracy is what makes this warmachine. thanks to that re-roll we have a 5/9 chance to score a direct hit and more often than not 2-4 inches of scatter isn't much of an issue. throw in a master engineer and i'd peg it as the best warmachine in WFB.
it presents the most potential for breaking units to peices in a single shot and is the easier of the two guess warmachines to use. hek, i use it for chariot sniping more often than not
the rune of accuracy is what makes this warmachine. thanks to that re-roll we have a 5/9 chance to score a direct hit and more often than not 2-4 inches of scatter isn't much of an issue. throw in a master engineer and i'd peg it as the best warmachine in WFB.
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I still suspect that the Organ gun is stronger overall :qq:
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Especially if, as suspected, 8th edition rules remove partials.
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I disagree. Its got a shorter range and whilst its S5 is one higher, add in a couple of runes the GT proves to be much better. And, even without them it is possible to kill more with the template than the maximum of ten with the dice. Also, it always ignores armour and does D6 wounds. Its not that useful against skirmishers, but if you're using it against them then you're using it wrong.
In all, the two war machines have very different tasks in a dwarf army. OG vs Skirmishers and war machine hunters. GT vs monsters and large blocks of infantry.
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The Grudge Thrower and Bolt Thrower are superior in different way. But when it comes down to what war machine is the best, I think it comes down to one single piece of material. The Rune of Forging. In other words, staying-power.
The Bolt Thrower dosent have to worry about that, but then it has to make a decent roll. Giving it an engineer, increases the chance but you still gotta to make the hit.
The Grudge Thrower is able to hit quite a number of models. But, it has two dices that can turn the table for it. In addition to that, when enemies close in, their usefullness descreases, with the 12'' min range.
On to the canon. It more or less have, what the two other war machines lack. Its very hard to destroy. It packs quite a punch. It can shoot at short distances and its got the Grapeshot option. You just have to make a somewhat decent guess, and its likely to hit what you aimed for. Unless you got, one of those days ofcourse. It makes a bit more expensive, but its deffinetly worth.
But all in all, this discussion give players, a really good insight in the dwarven artillery section and shows that we got some of the best pieces of equipment in the warhammer world.
Bring it on, Always Strike First! Give it your best shoot, one big fruit basket of magic! The dwarfs dare you, Eternal hatred! Give 'em hell :sinister:
The Bolt Thrower dosent have to worry about that, but then it has to make a decent roll. Giving it an engineer, increases the chance but you still gotta to make the hit.
The Grudge Thrower is able to hit quite a number of models. But, it has two dices that can turn the table for it. In addition to that, when enemies close in, their usefullness descreases, with the 12'' min range.
On to the canon. It more or less have, what the two other war machines lack. Its very hard to destroy. It packs quite a punch. It can shoot at short distances and its got the Grapeshot option. You just have to make a somewhat decent guess, and its likely to hit what you aimed for. Unless you got, one of those days ofcourse. It makes a bit more expensive, but its deffinetly worth.
But all in all, this discussion give players, a really good insight in the dwarven artillery section and shows that we got some of the best pieces of equipment in the warhammer world.
Bring it on, Always Strike First! Give it your best shoot, one big fruit basket of magic! The dwarfs dare you, Eternal hatred! Give 'em hell :sinister:
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Do I see an innuendo?
Kuffy, I'm inclined to agree with you. However, I still feel that the Organ Gun has a slight edge, especially seeing that I play skirmish Lizzies a lot. In a good round of shooting, this thing can wreck characters, skirmishers, infantry, anything and negates most armour saves. Grudgethrower can do the same and more in many cases, but the Organ Gun I feel has a more important role as a great flank anchor. And since there's little else Dwarfs can do about skirmishers, flyers and marauding hunters I still think that the Organ gun is better all round.
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Short explanation: BT `cause 2 for 1 slot.
long expl: I voted BT because it´s two for one slot and they usually don´t let you down. But I really like the cannon with Rune Of Forging as well. Hard hitting and... (forgot the English word:embarrassed zuverlässig.
long expl: I voted BT because it´s two for one slot and they usually don´t let you down. But I really like the cannon with Rune Of Forging as well. Hard hitting and... (forgot the English word:embarrassed
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