[Subsocial]

So, I just hopped on LO like I do almost every day to check up on the recent goings-on when I saw the news update on the front page. A World War 2 game by Games Workshop? That "does not owe anything to Warhammer"? I can tell you that that was certainly NOT what I was expecting. Not entirely unpleasant either though. As I see it, they have a fair chance of succeeding since they are already a superpower of the tabletop wargaming world, thus granting them a knowledge of how the market works and what would appeal to gamers in a new game. However, I am worried that the game with carry the same price tag as games workshop is infamous for. Only time will tell, I'm afraid.

In the mean time, what do all of you think? Will you be checking it out as soon as it comes out, or do you think that this is a terrible idea?

 

[grimmtu]

I'll definitely be looking into it. Afrika Korps, here I come!

 

[-Rook-]

if done right, this could be fantastic.

i have my fingers crossed

 

[AtlantianWarrior]

I wonder why they are going to do this? Oh yeah Flames of War.

 

[Marrius]

It will be interesting to see

 

[omegoku]

different scale? would have been great bits for IG armies everywhere.

I assume if FW are doing it, there will be no plastic models? Sounds like it will be very expensive!

It will be interesting to see a game not based on the warhammer system.

 

[Leech]

It may be interesting. Perhaps the parts will fit with 40K stuff, then we can use them. The basic idea for a detactment in 40K comes from WW2.

 

[Kabbala]

Great, if this is true it's just one more thing to delay updates to the various codices/army books.

 

[Subsocial]

@omegoku: It appears the FW is doing it, but I think that there's a possibility that if it becomes a hit, it might teleport over and become GW's fourth major game, in which case the prices would likely drop a bit. It makes sense to me that they're doing it through Forgeworld first as a sort of "testing ground" before making it a mainstream production game.

@Leech: I was just reading the article again and it says "The game is designed for 20mm figures although it will work equally well with 15mm (adjustments will be necessary for 28mm)." Seems to me that with a little tweaking, we could try out the rules system using our own models. I could be completely wrong, though.

What I'm really hoping for is that they don't play it by the history books, but instead give us freedoms to make our own custom little army. Obviously we won't be able to have Orks running around in Nazi uniforms, but being able to create your own regiment with it's own colors and backstory would be excellent.

 

[AtlantianWarrior]

From what I gather from FoW you can replay battles from the books or you can just play the missions. Don't know why you can not do both. Nothing stopping anyone from making their own army, with cammo pattern and history. Then again 40K and to some extent Fantasy is how the person wants his world to be. It is easy there is no set rules on how we come up with are fluff. You can pretty much make it up as you go.

 

[IofRaw]

I'm with you Kabbala. I wish gw would just get better at supporting what they already have. And by support, I don't mean re-releasing yet another addition of a game that's fine as it is, or re-releasing a model range that already has hundreds of models already on the market. I mean supporting all of the armies they've been neglecting for years.

As for a game that owes nothing to warhammer, speaking for myself, the thing that attracted me to gw was the incredible depth they brought to the worlds they created. I only play 40k, but I respect the warhammer world as well- I'd play it too if I could afford to do it without taking out a second mortgage on my house.

I was furious when they decided to do Lord of the Rings; the game might even be good, but I don't care. I just can't past the fact that they didn't create the world in which the game takes place. All they did was sink time, artistic ability and money into something that diminished their capacity to maintain the games that put them where they are in the first place.

As for wwII, at least they aren't standing on the back of someone else's fictional world to try and make a buck. But it still lacks the creativity and richness of the 40k universe or the warhammer world. And again, it may even be a fun game, but I'll be damned if I play it.

I realize that this is rather strongly worded, and I don't mean to offend any of you who are fans of Lord of the Rings, or who are looking forward to the wwII game or who thought that it was a good idea to put out a 5 edition and make yet another version of Space Marines, Space Marines and more Space Marines.

I'd just like to see some updates for Dark Eldar, and Witch Hunters; I'd like to see them make models for everything in the Chaos Daemon Codex; I'd like to see a Codex for the Ordo Xenos; I'd like to see some apocolypse legedary units, formations or superheavies for anyone but space marines and imperial guard, who already have enough apocolypse material to wallpaper my house. And I think that all of these things should take precedence over any new game, no matter how cool or fun it might be.

Sorry to be so negative and grumpy.

 

[AtlantianWarrior]

I am with you IofRaw. They should just stick with what they have.

 

[Canew]

I'm with you Kabbala. I wish gw would just get better at supporting what they already have. And by support, I don't mean re-releasing yet another addition of a game that's fine as it is, or re-releasing a model range that already has hundreds of models already on the market. I mean supporting all of the armies they've been neglecting for years.

As for a game that owes nothing to warhammer, speaking for myself, the thing that attracted me to gw was the incredible depth they brought to the worlds they created. I only play 40k, but I respect the warhammer world as well- I'd play it too if I could afford to do it without taking out a second mortgage on my house.

I was furious when they decided to do Lord of the Rings; the game might even be good, but I don't care. I just can't past the fact that they didn't create the world in which the game takes place. All they did was sink time, artistic ability and money into something that diminished their capacity to maintain the games that put them where they are in the first place.

As for wwII, at least they aren't standing on the back of someone else's fictional world to try and make a buck. But it still lacks the creativity and richness of the 40k universe or the warhammer world. And again, it may even be a fun game, but I'll be damned if I play it.

I realize that this is rather strongly worded, and I don't mean to offend any of you who are fans of Lord of the Rings, or who are looking forward to the wwII game or who thought that it was a good idea to put out a 5 edition and make yet another version of Space Marines, Space Marines and more Space Marines.

I'd just like to see some updates for Dark Eldar, and Witch Hunters; I'd like to see them make models for everything in the Chaos Daemon Codex; I'd like to see a Codex for the Ordo Xenos; I'd like to see some apocolypse legedary units, formations or superheavies for anyone but space marines and imperial guard, who already have enough apocolypse material to wallpaper my house. And I think that all of these things should take precedence over any new game, no matter how cool or fun it might be.

Sorry to be so negative and grumpy.

Hear, hear! I'm just as "grumpy" as you are. I don't blame GW for trying out new products, new ideas, etc., but they've been in this business too long not to understand that you can't just publish a codex and forget about it, especially if you continually update the core rule book.

This means you have to be prepared to revise past publications to keep up. If they were capable of doing this, AND explored new ideas like LOTR, etc., that would be one thing.

But they clearly aren't, since they already can't keep up with older codices that deserve updates (Inquisition, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau, probably in that order), and yet they STILL are putting resources into making up NEW armies that they probably won't be able to keep up with long-term either.

As I've said before, I'd almost (ALMOST) rather GW just discontinue those armies already, and put us all out of our misery, if they're so unworthy of the developers' time. Sheesh!

EDIT: Woot, 3,000th post!

 

[grimmtu]

You make some good points, IofRaw. You can make pretty good WW2 style armies with the Imperial Guard, after all. And honestly, when this post came up, somebody mentioned "Flames of War" (which I didn't know existed before hand) and I have been looking into that. What I'd really love to see would be a WW1 based miniatures game...

And let's not forget Ogres when listing books that need more GW attention. And half a dozen specialist games. And LoTR. Seriously - that could have been pretty cool, but they focused on making it too much like WHFB and not enough like say... Mordheim. :thunder:

 

[Mastershake]

@Leech: I was just reading the article again and it says "The game is designed for 20mm figures although it will work equally well with 15mm (adjustments will be necessary for 28mm)." Seems to me that with a little tweaking, we could try out the rules system using our own models. I could be completely wrong, though.

20-15mm? That's Flames of War scale if I'm not mistaken. Jebus, if I wanted 15mm WWII models I would certainly go with FoW over a FW only game. FoW actually has a well developed player base in many countries and a strong tournament circut. Seems like a bad plan to me, but that's just my humble opinion.

 

[Da Mighty Camel]

At first I thought "someone has gotten this mixed up with the guys who do FoW", but it looks like it will be an actual game... Hm. Intruiging. Currently FoW is pretty much the only actor in this area and competition is always good. Question is how they will approach it. I will probably not play it (historical wargaming isn't my stick, might change though. Who knows!) but I think there are some very good possibilities in it.

What I'd really love to see would be a WW1 based miniatures game...

It'd be a pretty dull game... 1. Both sides blast away 50% of each others armies with artillery. 2. One player charges and gets moved down by machine guns. 3. Second player counter-charge and gets moved down by machine guns. Rince and repeat for four years. Huzzah.

(yeah yeah I know it wasn't just that, but there are reasons why WW1 is pretty much the most depressing war ever fought)

 

[Darthvegeta800]

Sounds interesting. Might enable me to draw my father into the hobby.
I hope the Waffen SS and especially Japan will get attention.

 

[Marrius]

Sounds interesting. Might enable me to draw my father into the hobby.
I hope the Waffen SS and especially Japan will get attention.

I really hope that Italy or the USSR get some attention cause its very hard to find models for them.

 

[Zema]

I really hope that Italy or the USSR get some attention cause its very hard to find models for them.

Except that flames of war does models for those ranges, and in the same scale GW is now going for.

OK GW, why don't you first properly support your standing game sytems (updating codexes and releasing models 2 years after the rules where published) and stop showering us with new gadgets within these lines which you then forget about and fail to support properly in the long run(Mighty Empires, necromunda etc etc)?
If you do that, then maybe, you can start a new line, but only if you ask nicely.

 

[The Paint Monkey]

I don't think FoW is 15mm. I think it's a wee bit smaller.