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Hi Eeveryone, i just fall in love again with warhammer after like 10 years,
so im looking forward to build an High Elves army. ill play vs few friends,
who are playing orcs, empire, skaven, maybe some dwarves.


my goal is to build that army both using the models i already have and building it
in a some kind of a progressive way: ex, assuming im buying models to switch from
1000 points to 1500, those models will be in 2000 and then in 2500 points army (which is my final goal).
in other words, im starting from what i have to slowly put pieces togheter (ex, to go from 1000 points to 1500,
ill just have to buy a box of dragon princes and another eagle). this is a necessity because i cant afford to buy
everything i need at a single time, and still have to buy paintings..


I dont want a full-in-meta / only op units / one strategy army, i want a versatile one, since im
facing aggressive armies (orcs) and really defensive armies (the guy who plays both skaven and empire
has two really good armies, both artillery/magic focused): so i need a little of cavalry, some badass guys like swordmasters or lions, a little of magic..
I dont care too much if the 1k and 1.5k armies are not really good, but im looking to have a funny and balanced 2k-2.5k army.


I read the guide on the forum, so im aware that some unit im gonna play are not so good compared to others:
white lions are better than swordmasters, silver helms are better than dragon princes beacuse they are core,
and probably playing only 24 spears per unit (or 18-24 swordmaster per unit) on 2000+ points is not the way to do..
btw, any advice is accepted, since im pretty rusty and im not playing from 2005 or so:
im just worried to waste money building a crappy, not funny, nonsense army.


Units i already have and i want to use:
16 Archers full command
15 Spear fc
13 swormasters of hoet fc
2 bolt throwers
1 mage (foot)
1 noble at horse (not a model i like, so using him till something better comes)




1000 point
Mage lvl 2 + talisman of endurance 150
14 archer + musician 150
15 spearmen + champ + musician 155
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
13 swordmaster + full command + banner of the world dragon 249
2 bolt throwers 140
1 great eagle 50






1500
mage lvl 2 + talisman of preservation 165
noble bsb + barded steed + dragon armour+ Star lance, golden crown, charmed shield 165
16 archer + musician 170
15 spearmen + champ + musician 155
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
13 swordmaster + full command + banner of world dragon 249
5 dragon princes + full command + razor standard (bsb in here) 220
2 bolt throwers 140
2 great eagles + swiftsense + shredding talons 130








2000 A
Archmage lvl 4, high magic, + book of hoeth + talisman preservation 320
noble bsb + barded steed + dragon armour+ Star lance, golden crown, charmed shield 165
14 archers + musician 150
24 spearmen + full command + banner of swiftness 261
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
18 swordmaster + champion + musician 256
18 white lions + full command + banner of world dragon 314
5 dragon princes + full command + lichebone banner (bsb in here) 190
2 bolt throwers 140
2 great eagles (no upgrades) 100






2000 B
Archmage lvl 4, high magic, + book of hoeth + talisman preservation 320
noble bsb + barded steed + dragon armour+ Star lance, golden crown, charmed shield 165
16 archers + musician 170
24 spearmen + champion + musician 236
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
24 swordmasters + full command + wailing banner 392
9 dragon princes + full command + banner of world dragon (bsb in here) 341
2 bolt throwers 140
2 great eagles + swiftsense + shredding talons 130






2500 A
Archmage lvl 4, high magic, + book of hoeth + talisman preservation 320
noble bsb + barded steed + dragon armour+ Star lance, golden crown, charmed shield 165
Mage lvl 2 (death, shadow or fire lore i guess, not sure) + dispel scroll 145


16 archers + musician 170
24 spearmen + full command + Gleaming Pennant 251
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician (2 units of reavers) 105


24 swordmaster + champion + Musician 332
20 white lions + full command + Lichebone banner 305
9 Dragon Princes + full command + banner of world dragon (bsb in here) 341


2 bolt throwers 140
2 great eagles + swiftsense 120




2500 B
Archmage lvl 4, high magic, + book of hoeth + talisman preservation 320
noble bsb + barded steed + dragon armour+ Star lance, golden crown, charmed shield 165
Mage lvl 2 (death, shadow or fire lore i guess, not sure) 145


16 archers + musician 170
24 spearmen + full command + Gleaming Pennant 251
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician 105
5 ellyrian reavers with bows and spears + musician (2 units of reavers) 105


18 swordmasters + champion + musician 254
18 white lions + champion + musician 254
14 dragon princes + full command + banner of world dragon (bsb in here) 486


2 bolt throwers 140
2 great eagles (no upgrades) 100




Finally, for those of you still not bored to death, few questions:
-should i place mage/archmage with archers or with other unit?
-if i have 9 dragon princes and noble with them and champion (5x2), a charge does 22 + 10 from horses?
-same thing, if i have 18 swordmasters and champion in them (6x3), a charge does 25 hits?
-is it worth to upgrade eagles? (i only know that depends on the way i use them, and vs dwarves machines is useful to have talons)




Thanks for reading, sorry for not perfect english and have a good day to all of you <3
 

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thank you so much for the answer, that really helps!

sure ill send my Bsb with swordmasters or Lions, unless i decide to go 14 DP to have a massive hammer in the middle of the table;
i'm not going to give up DP anyway, i think that even 5 of the with no command group can work as heavy chaff, the enemy has to take care of them or theyre going to be a real threath.

probably sending Bsb and one mage with the world dragon banner unit is the best thing to do in my case.

i'm going to upgrade Eagles with talons only if really needed (armored servants or so), and agree, thats the only upgrade that can be useful.

right now in going about 16 archers, 5 reavers and 25 Spears as core for my 2000 points army, think is not very solid (as 500 points of helms+Spears would be) but offers a variety of interesting options during the game.

i'm just wondering about few things:

-whats the best Lore of magic for nuke? i love metal vs heavy armor, High magic soul quench can be good vs warmachines and heavy targets as well but not at turn 1 (18"range), Fire seems a little boring and empireum not so reliable..

-when is better to take a single archmage or archmage and lvl 2 mage? that second mage could be useful as nuker while Shadow archmage do his hex/augmentation job, but he also cost around 130pnts, which is 10 SM or WL.

-vs both skaven and empire in going to play vs lot of cannons and mages.

empire is kinda:
18 rifles
10+10 knights
3 mages
General
2 cannons
s tank
and some skirmisher, light cavalry, other warmachines

skaven Will be:
bell and mage
some other mage
3 warp cannons
15-18 jezails
20+20+20 clan rats

assuming that, any tips?
i dont want to outplay my buddy with a full counter list (i dont even think its possible) but i dont want to get wrecked at turn two.
 
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