Kind of a long time period question...

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TaoGoaT

Discussion Starter · Feb 9, 2006

I was looking around on the net for some fluff to support the inclusion of space dwarves...squats...whatever you want to call them but found somewhere that the Imperium no longer will enlist dwarves, halflings or half-man half beast types. Anybody know what's up with ratlings then!? In terms of fluff whatever happened to the squats and when? And, if I were to try and include them in an army what time period would that reflect...AND what would that mean in terms of equipment, vehicles, unit types...see where I'm going with this?

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Triumph Of Man

· #2 · Feb 9, 2006

I think Squats were officially killed off.

As for ratlings, when the war is going to sh*t. The recruiting officers often start adopting a "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy like the one used in Australia in WW2. Before that Aboriginals never had a shot at joining the armed forces.

Cheredanine

· #3 · Feb 9, 2006

GW have stated over and over theri reasons for killing off squats, these were not driven by fluff, but rather fluff may have been created to give reasons. what you are trying to find is the tail wagging the dog

TaoGoaT

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 9, 2006

Look I know why GW got rid of the squats, that's not what I am looking for. What I am looking for is the supporting fluff however thin as it may be. Maybe I'm not making myself clear. My goal here is to figure out when that happened in terms of the 40K timeline and what impact that will then have on my modelling...

Hermann Morr

· #5 · Feb 9, 2006

Last time squats were heard of was after the second Armageddon war.
Ghazghkull Thraka after rebuilding his forces attacked the Squat held world of Golgotha.
A Squat army supported by commissar Yarrick and imperial forces fought the orks, but were beaten. This was an epic battle featured on a white dwarf some years ago, so its kinda official. We could assume that with the fall of Golgotha and the third Armageddon war (941M41) the orks interrupted the trade routes between the imperium and the squat homeworlds cutting them off .

TaoGoaT

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 10, 2006

See now that was what i was looking for...thank you Hermann...

dicegod

· #7 · Feb 10, 2006

from what I heard the squats are coming back in the alienhunter codex so there will be fluff along with it if this is true.

Noctus

· #8 · Feb 10, 2006

Hermann Morr said:
A Squat army supported by commissar Yarrick and imperial forces fought the orks, but were beaten.

Poor Yarrick! After having commanded the steel legion, he finished with squats.

Rise and fall...

Tubal

· #9 · Feb 10, 2006

I knew him, Horatio...

For models, check out Hasslefree's Grymn, they can be used as more modern-looking squats easily. The rules for space marine scouts or storm troopers would suit them well.

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Neferata

· #10 · Feb 10, 2006

I agree, those models are way cool. Too bad no GW store would ever let you use them, but that doesn't mean you couldn't play at a local gaming club/at your house with the models.

Xethemez

· #11 · Feb 10, 2006

dicegod said:
from what I heard the squats are coming back in the alienhunter codex so there will be fluff along with it if this is true.

Apparently they will be returning, reimaged as the Demiburg. Personaly I excpected something a bit more dark and misterious than 'space dwarves' from the Demiburg!

Certs

· #12 · Feb 10, 2006

i thought about doing a space marine army all modelled as dwarves (thought occurred after seeing a guy in GW playing with his imperial guard army and using converted skaven as his infantry). i figured i'd have dwarves but in my view in their true engineering/smithing fashion and suited up all in heavy machinery and armor.

for chapter traits, i'd follow the wise trait, most likely going with heed the wisdom of the ancients and honor your wargear. not sure which minor drawback to use though, they all seem like they could make sense with dwarves, i guess i'd say the no librarians/psykers one...

CPT Shortcut

· #13 · Feb 13, 2006

It is strange that the squats disappeared. The fluff on them says:

"Easily the most numerous of the abhuman races, Squat clans and individuals may be found throughout the galaxy."

So on and so forth.

I think a converted dwarf army would be interesting.

Tubal

· #14 · Feb 13, 2006

Certemplar said:
i guess i'd say the no librarians/psykers one...

The squats had Living Ancestors, powerful psykers and trusted advisors

I recommend something like 'Death before dishonour' or 'Die standing' instead.

Forger of Civilization

· #15 · Feb 15, 2006

I thought Hivefleet Behemoth wiped out the squats?

Hermann Morr

· #16 · Feb 15, 2006

Forger of Civilization said:
I thought Hivefleet Behemoth wiped out the squats?

Impossible: the squat homeworlds were (are) located in the center of the galaxy, Behemot was destroyed at Macragge near the eastern fringe.
Is more realistic to think they had encounters with some Kraken splinter fleets, but were these splinters strong enough to wipe out a fully developed space faring race?
And splinter fleets don't like barren rocky planets heavily defended, they want more biomass for less effort.

By the way i'm developing a personal fluff about the squat-imperium routes being cut off by several enemies, with strange involvements by the adeptus mechanicus.

The_Giant_Mantis

· #17 · Feb 15, 2006 (Edited)

Xethemez said:
Apparently they will be returning, reimaged as the Demiburg. Personaly I excpected something a bit more dark and misterious than 'space dwarves' from the Demiburg!

The Demiurg are apparently based on the Bentusi from the homeworld series.. Even their name in Tau is remarkably similar. They're more like reclusive, wierd space miners and traders than the idiotic looking (sorry, my opinion) hells angels dwarves in space we're used to.

Anyway, they invented the Ion cannon, then sold it to the Tau.. So we have them to thank for that one.

Those Grynm (or however they're spelt) things are probably fairly similar, with the armoured carapace thingies they're wearing (chunky, but not too 'dwarf like.') You could also include robots, as it mentions in BFG the demiurg are big on automation.

The squats are erased.. They haven't even been mentioned for years. GW clearly decided it was going to be easier to axe the whole idea than try and fit them into the new style 40k atmosphere. I can't blame them, the squats dated back to a more cartooney age in GW history where noise marines had actual guitars and all the models were painted with comic-book brightness. That age sucked, as far as I'm concerned.. Roll on the grit!

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