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Lord of the Ring OR Warhammer Fantasy?

  • Lord of the Ring

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  • Warhammer Fantasy

    Votes: 34 77.3%
  • Stay with 40k

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  • Try a different system such as Hordes

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Hi All,
I have been into 40k for a while now and in the last 9 months I have built and painted
two Tyranid armies. I thinking of starting a third army for 40k but I can’t seem to decide which one.
So rather than buy a new army I think I want to try a new game, I want to keep
with Games Workshop.

So I’m thinking either Lord of the Rings or Fantasy. To me they both seem the same, dwarfs and elves
and orcs all running around holding hands. So my question is which system should I go for?
I love painting and money is not much of an issue, the factor is time and space really.
I do like the new vampire counts but I also like the Mordor armies from W.D so I’m finding it hard
to make my mind up. Plus it’s my birthday next so my girlfriend has promised to buy me whichever
game I want, BUT I’m not allowed both! So which one should i go for?
 

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Well i'm sure you will get lots of replies slagging off LotR's so I wont go there, actually I quite enjoy it, the game mechanics are alright, and definately different to 40k, its also pretty cheap to build up a force for the game, and doesnt take long to paint them either due to the lower model count than WHFB- apart from the metal figures though the minis are pretty basic when compared to the minis for the core games.

Personally i love WHFB and would wholeheartedly recommend it- plus putting together a WHFB army is a labour of love given the sheer number of troops you will have with most armies!

Id vote for getting the girlfriend to buy you the Battle for Skull Pass box, have a few games with the dwarfs and goblins in the box and then set about building your own army (with VC for example) or sticking with one of those two which are both really nice warhammer forces
 
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I voted for Warhammer as this is the one I play :)

Seriously though Warhammer is more similar to 40k than LotR (which has a really cool game dynamic, just a bit weird) so it will be easier for you to pick up the rules. I mean you know what WS, BS etc are.

For LotR you will need to paint less models (and more variety) due to the fact that most people have a good guy and bad guy force. I love all the character models and think through LotR all GW sculpts are now better.

Warhammer ou have to paintmore miniatures and if your planning on playing VC then you better enjoy painting skeletons and zombies. VC have a lot of units though so you can break it up by painting characters, corpse carts, varghulf etc.

You can choose whatever you want, I just picked fantasy as you will have more people to play and more information on LO to pick up.
 

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fantasy all the way 8Ymuch better than lotr rubbish :X
 

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There is no ''both'' option, so ill withhold my vote from the poll.

You can easily do both side by side. LotR is actually a very good game, ignore all the people who give it a hard time, its GW they hate really. Anyway, that a different topic.

Choose an army or theme for LotR (i suggest sticking to a main army from the film, the newer LotR stuff is just GW desperation for sales) Anyway, go with an army you like. As games are only played at about 250-750pts, then a decent army can be built up very quickly.

Then at the same time, its easy to slowly build up a decent fantasy list. Start with a battleforce, and a simple 500point list once you have chosen the right army for you, and then work up from there.
 

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Think WHFB is better then LotR because LotR it is to easy to minmax (or maybe its just my cheesed out twisted mind?) and has a generally worse player base (no offence but, most ignorant children are syphoned from WHFB to 40k leaving WHFB relatively clean of them while LotR has people who want to be Legolas [I'm not trying to paint a picture of all LotR player, sorry if I insult anyone]).

WHFB also has more then 2 armies to choose from and characters aren't stupidly overpowered (or at least they are suitably overpriced if they are) and magic is more then a character nullifying tool but instead a lovely extra level of gooey tactical goodness. Also, fun narratives are easier to make in WHFB (would you rather play siege of Helms Deep take #417 or a meeting engagement with your Empire force escorting a High Elf dignitary to a Dwarven hold to negotiate their differences against an Orc warband funded by a Dark Elf noble bent on thwarting the plans of a bridge between the dwarfs and the elves, I know which one I would choose).

By the way, does anyone think I overuse brackets (just a [little {tiny}] tad)?
 

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Well, my area has a fair few skilled, older lord of the rings players. It makes for a good time. I started my Gondor army and it cost me, all told, about 115.00 USD. That being said, I really like fantasy better. I just love my vampire counts, the fantasy rules, and the fantastic models. LOTR has rather low detail plastics, but the metal minis are fairly nice.
 

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Fantasy is where I started 9 years ago and I'll never regret it. It taught me how to think tactically(as movement is huge in the game,) I my fondest memories of playing any game are from playing my skaven against chaos, high elves and empire. LOTR is extremely popular and outsold WHF last year, but because it was new. WHF has been around for 25 years and is established and the lore runs deep for any army you play. I give it 3 thumbs up! 8Y8Y8Y
 

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tbh I get tired of people who just criticise LOTR, especially when they haven't played it. IMO it just indicates that they're too shallow to form opinions from finding out facts by their own steam.:ninja:

LOTR is a good game, no matter what most others will tell you. The three main problems with it are that they bring out supplements every 2 months, the models get worse rather than better (thus LotR has found themselves in the akward position of having better old figures than new ones), and lastly, it's full of holes. But, if you can get over those drawbacks, you can should enjoy it. it's a very good skirmish game, and the narratives aren't too bad unless you're creativity is more lacking than an Inquistors sense of humour.

WHFB IMO is a better game though, every rules update has had several years gone into it. The models are exceptional, and gameplay is excellent.

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I voted for fantasy since i could vote for both. I totally agree with Phoenix and
ArchonFarseerGuy on the lotr comments. I would try it out first at your local GW they do intro games all the time and If you dont like it then hey dont collect it.
I would say tho lotr is cheaper you get more guys per set and that but there is a lot of metal modals for each faction so plenty of choices.
 

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Actually, I know what I'm talking about. I've played it for 2 years. My Mordor collection got so big, I used math to work out how many Orcs I had, rather than lining them up and counting them. Not to be rude or anything, just to clarify:).

What I forgot to mention was that it all depends on what you'd prefer. WHFB is more about armies lining up, yelling insults, then charging in. LOTR is about small forces, and every warrior counting. Here's a good site to go to, if you want to know more.

-AFG
 

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Lotr is inferrior to fantasy because Aragourn can kill an entire regiment of Uraki. This makes hero's too important and troops underpowered. Warhammer Fantasy is about the troops, and this more then anything else makes it a great game.
Thats a pretty weak reason Aragorn is ment to be powerful as you see in the films but a well placed mordor troll or 2 :p would put him out the game pretty easliy.

Its true tho lotr games are character bases over troops and with not really any restrictions like warhammer fantasy armies can be pretty unbalaced as hell. But most of the lotr forces i see these days go for more troops and try for a 50/50 force.

I used to be a mordor player to and i had like 25 orcs for every character i took. But alot of the new and younger players always took the best characters and hardly any troops so those games were pretty boring and one sided.
 

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I totally agree with Kai-Itza you should alternate between fantasy and 40k it's the best way to get lots of varied games
 

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I dont deny that Fantasy is a better game than any (well.. slowly going downhill) But of the 3, 40K is the worst.

LotR sits in the middle, its a great game with a totally different style to the other two. Characters only dominate if you want them too, but once surrounded by a hoard even the Chars fall quickly. Aragorn is the only broken Character really.

Great game, Great models, cheap to do. Think of it as more of a specialist game then a main line game. Its not hard to learn, but once you place it with BFG and Mordheim etc, it fits better there then as a main game, due to the fact it is seen less in most gaming circles.
 

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I dont deny that Fantasy is a better game than any (well.. slowly going downhill) But of the 3, 40K is the worst.

LotR sits in the middle, its a great game with a totally different style to the other two. Characters only dominate if you want them too, but once surrounded by a hoard even the Chars fall quickly. Aragorn is the only broken Character really.

Great game, Great models, cheap to do. Think of it as more of a specialist game then a main line game. Its not hard to learn, but once you place it with BFG and Mordheim etc, it fits better there then as a main game, due to the fact it is seen less in most gaming circles.
After looking more into the subject (I jumped to conclusions as usual) I agree with you, LotR is a very good game. Not near WHFB in quality but certainly less broken then 40k. I said before that LotR is easy to minmax, I was correct but I failed to realise that all the armies are equally minmaxable making the actual game almost entirely tactical (though the tactics needed are nothing akin to those used in WHFB or 40k).
 

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After looking more into the subject (I jumped to conclusions as usual) I agree with you, LotR is a very good game. Not near WHFB in quality but certainly less broken then 40k. I said before that LotR is easy to minmax, I was correct but I failed to realise that all the armies are equally minmaxable making the actual game almost entirely tactical (though the tactics needed are nothing akin to those used in WHFB or 40k).
And at the end of the day, powerful heroes is what LOTRs is all about- its a game of a book/film based on norse/anglo saxon sagas- if Aragorn was easy to kill the game wouldnt be doing its job.

I know a lot of historical gamers use the LOTR mechanics to play Dark Age battles with a suitably heroic bent. GW have also used the basic game play as a basis for the 'Legends of the Old West' which is an awesome game.

I think its a cool game that should be rescued from its image as a game for the kids.
 

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I think its a cool game that should be rescued from its image as a game for the kids.
Indeed, hence why i think GW really should make it an official specialist game. And scrap all the new rubbish models (though the actual models are good, just the ''flufff' is bad) once they can. Stick to stuff from the films.
 
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