I would say that it would scatter but who knows. If it did lock up the wwp then that is some really strong limburger cheese. I would never do that if I had a monlith(I don't) because that is a very unfair thing and will make the game not fun at all.

 

Im not sure, but i think the combination of a monolith deepstriking on a webway portal would cause some type of explosion or something destroying the portal, and monolith.

This is a very messy situation so i hope my 2 cents helped any :w00t:

 

Hi, as previously stated the portal is indestructable and has no abilities to "attack" anything so I don't think that either of these scenarios are going to happen. Its more a question of "does the Lith give way or not."
Cheers.

 

If it counts as a table edge, would the Monolith be destroyed for DSing off the table?

 

Do units that traverse over the WWP count as moving "off the table"? If not, then your answer is "no".

 

I would view the webway as being blocked. It is just a blast marker that makes it count as a table edge. I am just wondering why people have not tried to drive a rhino or falcon on the thing to stop the DE from coming through. I mean, if the entire left edge of your table edge has units all along the side so nobody can get through (too tight) then you can't move units from that side and must pick another. The question that comes up in my mind is why does the DE codex say that it is indestructible when it can't even be targeted (as it is just a blast marker with no stats or model), and would the DE units be destroyed or just have to wait the rest of the game in silence on their side (unless the vehicle gets exploded, obliterated, or moves off, then the army comes out with a vengeance)?

Of course a DE player can take more than one portal and they have a very nice anti-vehicular arsenal.

Hats off to you for thinking of it, I just wish there was a DE player at my store, then I might have done it myself.

 

Monolith on a webway portal, eh?... That is.... really really tight.

Seeing as the portal is just... a marker, the monolith can sit happily on top (with a very unhappy dark elder player looking at it with disgust.) The same thing would happen as if units are trying to get out of reserve but the entire table edge is blocked by enemy models... I do not know what happens in that case. Perhaps they just wait until the deployment zone is unblocked?....

 

If the monolith lands on your WWP, well your screwed.

WWP is not stated as being a model, thus it is not moved by the 'lith.

You can't move to within 1" of an enemy unless you are assaulting, so you wouldn't be able to leave the template (as you would be within 1").

Thus Reserves are stuck unable to enter the table via the WWP.

 

i agree with this. this is how i have seen it played and yes, its difficult because of living metal and nothing but Str8 guns in the Dark Eldar arsenal

 

Okay, I can see two ways of thinking about this. Neither one includes the thought that the WWP is a model - it's not and only will be if GW says it is. Nowhere does it state that it is modelled as anything, it is merely represented with a template.

But, here are the two ways:

1) It's not a model, so therefore can be covered by the Monolith and other enemy units.

2) It counts as a table edge. The "inside" of the template counts as "off the table" for the purpose of enemy models moving to it, which is why enemies can only surround it, therefore the Monolith can't land on it.

Number two would be the most fair, but neither one is actually clarified by either GW or either codex, so it's up to the players to decide this.

It is still not, however, a model.

 

2) It counts as a table edge. The "inside" of the template counts as "off the table" for the purpose of enemy models moving to it, which is why enemies can only surround it, therefore the Monolith can't land on it.

Hmm, after reading that I think you've hit the nail on the head.

 

The Webway portal is *not a model* It has no stats and is just a marker. GW is not going to make one. It is merely a placeholder, a game concept. And if something big, like a monolith, is sitting on top of one, then the DE cannot enter if they cannot place themselves at least 1" away from the offending vehicle.

 

The only argument I can see being valid against this is why can't standard infantry simply walk on top of the template? It explicity states that they must surround the marker, not stand on it, so that leads me to believe that it's a "table edge," therefore can't be landed/stood upon, and must be surrounded.

 

Not to add flame to the fire, but....

If, by the previous conclusion that it can only be surrounded and is a table edge, the Monolith DS onto the WWP, does it fly off the "edge"? It is not like infantry to make an active move "off the edge" as the rule merely prevents such an action. Is the Monolith "hangin on" to the table edge by its corners?

Edit: I reread my post. Some of it still seems "off" but I'm in a hurry, m'kay, bye.

 

Reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons like Tom and Jerry or Roadrunner where one character will throw a black hole on to the floor, and the other will fall into it.

I think the easiest resolution, and my bad if I'm stepping backwards is this:

-Can the monolith make a normal move and stop over the webway portal?

If the answer is yes, then I think remaining on top of it is legitimate. I think deep striking rules should be looked at logically, and the rule about where you can land is meant to keep you from landing where you cannot normally go. So if you can normally go to that position, then you could logically deep strike there.

I'm not to sure that calling it a table edge is legitimate, because regular troops cannot pass over impassable terrain either, they can only go around it. Same deal with this portal, but a skimmer can defiantly go over terrain.

Same applies to the "Can the 'lith DS on to impassable terrain?" Literal interpretation of the deep strike rules says it cannot, literal interpretation of skimmer rules says it doesn't matter because it is above it.

So does it boil down to:

-Is the inside of the webway portal [1] a table edge, or [2] impassable terrain?

 

Its actually a situation that comes up fairly often in our games and its not even necessarily with the lith'. If there is a web way portal on the table it counts as a table edge for reserves purposes. If you were to surround that portal with even normal models then no reserves can come through it, as they will be within on inch of an enemy model and be automatically destroyed. Parking a lith(or any vehicle) on top of it achieves the same effect. Either way the eldar player will not want to be using the portal if its surrounded/covered cause then any units that come through will be destroyed.

Its not that big of a debate. If you had enough models to completely cover someones table edge with models it would do the same, their reserves would be destroyed upon entering, that situation doesn't happen though cause few people have the models to do it or the time to get there.

the web way gate provides the eldar player with the ability to more strategically position their reserves, but its not a perfect thing. It can be countered by surrounding the portal or parking on top of it. Its really not that big of a deal.

EDIT: upon further reading i'm gonna have to say that no you cannot park land based vehicles on the template, but you can surround it and you can use skimmers hovering over it to block it as an entrance. Skimmers won't actually be sitting in the portal like land based units and they will still blocking the entrance as units cannot come into play underneath them.

 

Not to rehash, but if it is a table edge you can't park over it with a skimmer. Monoliths that DS off the table are destroyed, thus DS over the portal, a table edge, obliterates them. You can't exit the table are come back thus skimmers can't park over the table edge/portal.
That seems to be RAW....right?

 

Well, is it a "table edge" or is it "impassible terrain"? If it's the later, then it can hover over it, right?

 

Well if the portal counts as a table edge, if the monolith lands on it it doesn't land OFF the table it simply lands on the edge. You aren't destroyed by landing on the edge of a table and so there is no reason why the monolith can't land there.

Just to clarify, earlier on you said that if the portal counts as the edge of the table then the centre must be off the table. This is, in my opinion, wrong. If the portal counts as the table edge then all of it counts as the table edge which means there is no off the table part of it because it is all edge.

I hope that makes sense.

regards,
Gazboy

 

I think youi guys are missing the point here....

The web way portal counts as a table edge to the Eldar player only. To the enemy its just a portal on the ground that looks pretty. If my troops are falling back they can't go through the portal. The WWP counts as a table edge for ONLY the Eldar player. To the other player that space is just normal terrain. So you can park skimmers on top of it.

 

Hi Sabe,
are you certain that your falling backwards troops can't go through the portal?
Interesting possibilty and one I would support if I could prove it.
Cheers.

 

Sounds resolved to me.

 

It seems it is a "marker" (not anything but, and I don't see people saying that you can't move over homing beacons or minefields (the terrain is still there)), that DE reserves my enter play through. It says they my be placed on the template instead of coming through a board edge, so it doesn’t count as a board edge either (unless you take a liberal interpretation, I say it is a marker so no wacky unit placement happens).

That entire troops thing refers to the units (which is said in the sentence before it) that the DE player has in reserve. It just happens that (If I'm not mistaken) the only units that can go through the portal count as troops. It also states that entire thing about taking units in reserve, that they can only come out of the portal (just like necrons)

I still think that you can plop anything you want over it. A unit on it is kinda suicidal, so I don't know who would do that. The rules also say that the eldar do not get hurt traveling, so I'm leaning towards them being really pissed off on the other side and ready to pour out if the obstruction moves for any reason.

 

It seems it is a "marker" ... It says they my be placed on the template instead of coming through a board edge, so it doesn’t count as a board edge either (unless you take a liberal interpretation, I say it is a marker so no wacky unit placement happens)....

couldnt agree with u more

last words from me...

instead of coming from a board edge, they come from the marker, ie come from the marker and move off the marker into the game. as Sleepy said, a marker they can enter through....

"so I'm leaning towards them being really pissed off on the other side and ready to pour out if the obstruction moves for any reason" haha

Edit: i love this forum