[Bladeweaver]

I was looking at the range of different units and i fell in love witch hunters, i really underestimayed them. they are much better then those Demonhunters. Before i buy the codexs i have a few questions. There good against other armies right, not just choas or any unit issued with a broomstick.:| I have imperial 20 gaurdsmen, 2 comisnars, and a leman russ tank. any upgrades and doctrines can be used for the tanks and the Gaurdsmen?
I was also wonder about the sisters of battle(or the nuns of doom!). Are they any good, there just like Marines right. Any advice on what to get? the assiassans look good, so does the raiders.

 

[IATFP]

Better than DH? In certain areas (anti-tank) possibly. DH (grey knights) are CC beasts. Sisters are NOT marines. Marines have a better T, I, S. Marines are capable in CC as well as at range. Sisters specialize in short ranged firepower. Sisters get to use Faith abilities, which make them absolutely amazing when used properly. Necrons will give you headaches. As for the guardsmen, you could induct them and bring along their Russ. Land Raiders? I think only an Inquisitor Lord can take one, and that's a LOT of points that you could potentially lose to a lucky lascannon shot. Assassins require you have an Inquisitor or Inquistor Lord, and I'd say choose either the Eversor or the Callidus.

 

[Plague_00]

ya can't use commisars in wh the 2 squads and russwould make good long range, sister are not marines they are guard with power armour andbolters, lotsa flame weapons will serve you well, wh tanks are grossly underestimated so take alot of them and domminions and retributers kick butt

 

[Red Zinfandel]

WH are better than DH?

Hm.
I can't really say if this is so. I would disagree. Both have limitations.

If you are a beginner to WH and already posess the IG units you specified, I would suggest first getting both codexes. Then I think you should build an IG parent with a WH ally.

Basic sisters (with limited faith) are a pretty good deal on their own, regardles if they came form the parent army. Basic IG (without doctrines) are not as good a deal, so they suffer when doctrines are removed (which is the reality when they are not the parent army).

So given your circumstanes, it makes sense to take an IG parent with WH allies. The Battle Sisters make a significant contribution to an IG army. If the WH allies work out for you, then buy more WH, and eventually you will be able to field a fully realized WH army.

Imperial Alliances.
I've thought about the different alliances, and this is what I have to say about it:

1- Imperial alliances seem to work best in high points games (over 1500).
2- IG parent can take either WH or DH and profit from the alliance.
3- WH parent seems to benefit greatly from 1 squad of GKs, but WH gains little from IG help.
4- DH parent seems to take the greatest benefit from either 1 squad of WH, or 1 IG platoon.

Lastly, the most important WH unit to get to know are Seraphim. They can be used to spearhead the army with great results. Although they are not for beginners. It takes some time in the game to learn how to use them to max benefit.

 

[Cheredanine]

You got a lot of good advice there,

WH Vs DH - there are very few generic "this army is better than that" that are true, if it were the case, the lesser army would not get used.

Both WH and DH can be configured in a number of ways.

Personnaly on a bare experiance front, my sisters founght DH once, the DH commander, whilst intelligent, was a relative newb, unsurprisingly I wiped the floor with him, but that does not make WH better than DH

 

[Bladeweaver]

WH are better than DH?

Hm.
I can't really say if this is so. I would disagree. Both have limitations.

If you are a beginner to WH and already posess the IG units you specified, I would suggest first getting both codexes. Then I think you should build an IG parent with a WH ally.

Basic sisters (with limited faith) are a pretty good deal on their own, regardles if they came form the parent army. Basic IG (without doctrines) are not as good a deal, so they suffer when doctrines are removed (which is the reality when they are not the parent army).

So given your circumstanes, it makes sense to take an IG parent with WH allies. The Battle Sisters make a significant contribution to an IG army. If the WH allies work out for you, then buy more WH, and eventually you will be able to field a fully realized WH army.

Imperial Alliances.
I've thought about the different alliances, and this is what I have to say about it:

1- Imperial alliances seem to work best in high points games (over 1500).
2- IG parent can take either WH or DH and profit from the alliance.
3- WH parent seems to benefit greatly from 1 squad of GKs, but WH gains little from IG help.
4- DH parent seems to take the greatest benefit from either 1 squad of WH, or 1 IG platoon.

Lastly, the most important WH unit to get to know are Seraphim. They can be used to spearhead the army with great results. Although they are not for beginners. It takes some time in the game to learn how to use them to max benefit.

Are you saying i can ally any imperial army?! so my IGs can have SM,DH and WH in them with no restrictions? in that case i could use an ally for IGs that whay i have the doctrines camo and sharp shooter on my side.

 

[Red Zinfandel]

Are you saying i can ally any imperial army?! so my IGs can have SM,DH and WH in them with no restrictions?

No no no no no.
Please buy the WH and DH codexes and look over the alliance sections.
You'll never be able to have an intelligent conversation in this forum without the WH codex.
You ight as well pick up the DH codex as well.

 

[Plague_00]

You'll never be able to have an intelligent conversation in this forum without the WH codex.

he could it jus wouldn't make much sense

You ight as well pick up the DH codex as well.

yeah if ya wanna waste 35$ on a codex that will probably neverus jus go to gw ask for the store copies look through em and decide which one ya want to include before ya buy.

 

[Red Zinfandel]

Buying the DH codex is not at all a bad idea.
DH can ally with WH, and both are challenging and interesting armies to play.
The purchase also supports the local shop and the hobby at large.
And for the amount of amusement I've gotten from each book, they were easily worth their price.

Nothing wrong with thuming through a book before buying it, but it's simply bad advice to say "don't get it", unless you're starving.

 

[Plague_00]

i don't know giving a newb advice to go out and spend alota money when he's not sure of the army he wants is not very newbie friendly.

 

[Heiromyo]

Instead of spending money because some of us say so it might just be an idea to ask around where you live, in addition there's plenty of resources on this froums relating to the WH army

As tempting as it may be to buy the things you like at first glance I advise wait a while to gather information, even get a few games in at the local store of use a representation army with friends. This can become one hell of an expensive hobby and it's a down right pain if you don't like something you purchased just one week later.

 

[Plague_00]

isn't that jus a extended version of what i sed?

 

[Red Zinfandel]

i don't know giving a newb advice to go out and spend alota money when he's not sure of the army he wants is not very newbie friendly.

What?
Guys, he just told us he "fell in love with the WH army", right? He's already got a base of IG that he can expand upon, so what 's he supposed to do now? Buy an Eldar squad?

BladeWeaver, the WH codex is beautiful and it's about 20 bucks. I guarnatee you will get hours of entertainment for your 20 bucks. Time to buy.

And if he doesn't like the book, (Plague and Hiero), he can sell on e-bay for $15. So this is a 5 dollar decision, fellas. I think we can throw caution to the wind on this one. And there's little point in posting on this board without owning the WH codex

The DH codex isn't a bad idea either, because they can ally with IG, but you will probably have your hands full when you get the WH, so if the money is tight, hold off on the DH one until later.

 

[Heiromyo]

isn't that jus a extended version of what i sed?

hmmmm....

i don't know giving a newb advice to go out and spend alota money when he's not sure of the army he wants is not very newbie friendly.

yeah if ya wanna waste 35$ on a codex that will probably neverus jus go to gw ask for the store copies look through em and decide which one ya want to include before ya buy.

TBH I wrote what I did to explain the situation of my point of view as well as others who share the same opinion in a more clear manner. Don't mean to insult but your english and way you string your sentences isn't the best I've seen.

I had to re-read that third quote a few times before i understood you. I skimmed it the first time thinking I knew what you were talking about but turns out it wasn't entirely the case.

 

[Red Zinfandel]

Hiero, I greatly enjoy reading your posts, and I think you have a great mind for yourself.
*Can't... help myself... need to... poke fun at... Hiero's bad grammar...*

We have an early entry into the "Glass House Award" contest.
Let's play find the missing article, find the awkward grammer, and find the missing comma.

Don't mean to insult but your english and way you string your sentences isn't the best I've seen.

Insert foot. :w00t:
Sorry. I just couldn't help myself. I'm so mean. You may kick me now.

 

[Miril]

*kick*

Back on topic - Personally, I tried playing different types of armies, etc, before I bought anything, found I liked the DH, and bought the codex, and now have accumulated a fair pile of little grey men.

If you like the WH, start with the WH codex, read it, read it again, read the forums, since you already have some IG, I would start with making sure you have the base FOC requirements, then just expand at a rate governed by your cash flow and so forth. Half the fun is making them pretty anyway

 

[Heiromyo]

Hiero, I greatly enjoy reading your posts, and I think you have a great mind for yourself.
*Can't... help myself... need to... poke fun at... Hiero's bad grammar...*

We have an early entry into the "Glass House Award" contest.
Let's play find the missing article, find the awkward grammer, and find the missing comma.

*kicks*

When I find out where you live im gonna....*mumbles* MWHAHAHAHAHA. Anyways, I never said my engliish was perfect did I?

Oh if you were refering to the eldar post well it's kind of hard going through all that without a decent word processor (I used wordpad *sobs*) >_<

BUT THOSE WERE EARLY DAYS AND I HAVE WORKED MY HARDEST TO MEND MY WAYS, IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT STILL I CHALLENGE YOU TO A GAME OF MONOPOLY, WE'LL SEE WHO HAVES THE LAST LAUGH!

 

[Plague_00]

lol thats why i love the wh forum it's soo much more fun then any of the others, especially the eldar (stuck up arogant ...*grumbles and mutters darkly with the only intelligable thing being "get revenge on world"*)

word processor (I used wordpad *sobs*) >_<

1, whats a word processer and 2, u can use notepad on this?

i am trying to improve it buut... not going with any speed

 

[Heiromyo]

1, whats a word processer and 2, u can use notepad on this?

lol completely moving away from the warhammer subject but never mind, it's a program which you use to type documents with. For example: you can use it for essays, coursework, letters etc.

At the time I only had the crappy wordpad which comes with a windows operating system, which doesn't have a spell check function like any half decent word processor

And yeh you can use things like notepad for this forum, though it is merely a simple task of copying and pasting.

Anyways....MONOPOLY! :shifty:

 

[Plague_00]

i'm more of a cludo guy (it was heiromo in the observitory with red zinfindel's severed head)