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Title says it all really, from what ive been hearing about the new codex, some of the new stuff seems daft and not thought through properly, whilst others seem to be great ideas.

The main culprits as far as im concernd are:

The Tervigon. This just dosnt seem to fit in with its rules. I think the idea is good, but giving it to an MC just dosnt seem right. For one, how does it produce these guants, theres potential for 50 guants to be spewed out, so the entire body would have to be filled with guants in order to have that much capactity. IMHO it would make much more sense to have i hive node like those from DoW2
doing the spawning and have the tervigon as a "medic" of sorts, a cross between a painboy and a tomb spider.

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The Harpy. From what i understand this is a flying MC that can take Heavy wepons. So essentially its a mini Harridan. It just dosnt seem right to have flying swarms of huge creatures going about the place, and if they did, surley theyd be CC based, not shooty.

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The Broodlords. These were portrayed as being "the vanguard of a swarm" and being "the first one down on planet, with his retinue of genestealers" and other general bits impling he was an elite leader and there was only one of him. But now theres multiples suddenly appearing, so its gone from vanguard commander to a pumped up sargent. Just dosnt seem right.

So does anyone else share my veiws, or is there good reason for these new beastys that ive simply missed. Post your thoughts.
 

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This was always possible with a flyrant. The hive mother saw the effectiveness of it and decided to begin creating specialized versions as to not have to waste the resources to make full flying tyrants.
But the point im making is that there are lots of instances where the Hive Mind simply alters an exsisting species to fill a need, not make a new one. 2 examples, the Heriodules and Guants in general. The orginal heriodule was a cc specialist, but then it got shot with long range guns. So the hive mind, rather than create a new species, took the tallons off and replaced them with guns. Same species different mutations.

Same story with guants, one has guns, the other claws. They arnt diferent species, but theyre mutated and adapted to a differnt role.

To my mind thats what the harpy should be, a flying hive tyrant with a slight mutation. Flyrants are great, but they lack heavy guns, so lets give them some guns and call it the skyrant or something.

Brood (group) lord (leader). They always seemed to be a sergeant role consuming an HQ slot. I always viewed them as the alpha dog of a pack of pant-stealers, not the leader in control of an entire army of biological monstrosities.
I agree, they shouldn't command an army, but as you say theyre an alpha amung genestealers, so really there should only be 1 in the pack, or in this case swarm/army. the obvious explanation is that the genestealers are indipendant of each other with each brood having its own alpha, but i dont really see that for them, they work with each other, not agianst as a pack of dogs would.

Tervigon --- Eats bio mass in HUGE quantities as it lumbers down the field and lays eggs that hyper mature and hatch gaunts.. the entire process takes about 1 minute and the gaunts springing into action immediately will burn out and die of 'old age' in about 30 more minutes... well after the battle.
Is this something thats been mentioned in the codex or a theory you surgested? Because whilst that explains the guants hatching, why would it stop working half way through, but not die?

Regarding the rest of your post, im not saying that it isnt possible for the hive mind to produce such things, it just seems strange as to why the hive mind has created them in such a way.

Although this has changed my perception of the Tervigon from a nasty guant spawning hell beast, to an oversized chicken :)

Fluffwise it seems illogical as she carries more (ie twin-linked) heavy weapons then any other. So yes it seems like a mini Harridan which isn't a bad thing in my book.
This is the sort of thing i mean, instead of making the harridan smaller, why not just have a harridan? Theres already a beast that flys with heavy weapons, so why make one thats an intirely new design, but still does a similar/the same job?
 

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First of all thank you leech for that vid, thats much easier to comprehend now. One question though, is that actuallly how its described in the codex or do they say something else. But guants being spewd out from a tervigon at about the size of a ripper and growing works for me.

And thanks to all for the thoughts regarding the Harpy and broodlords.

Whilst ive been convinced about the broodlord, I still dont quite "get" the purpose of the Harpy, to me it just makes more sense to have a hevy gun platform on the ground, rather than in the sky where blowing the wings off results in an ACME style crash, but there we go.

Anyway thanks all for your help. :dance:
 
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