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All deamons, I welcome thee,

I was improving my armylist, when I bumped on somthing I didn't understand.


8 Possessed space marines (1 asp champ) (496 pts)
deamonic flight, talons, mutation, MoK


is this a good possessed squad? if not, why not? what should I change? aren't they to expensive?

in other words.............





how do I use Possessed marines?
 

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As lictor said you can only have one power.

That is why some people use chosen squads with ac w/ powers, so they can take more than one.

That looks like a good squad (although its illegal and I don't have my codex on hand to check what the stats would be). Just make an all ac chosen squad with the same upgrades, even though it would cost alot it would be a killer in cc.
 

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i have found that demonic talons are thebest of the available options for possessed.

it basically gives you a squad of power weapon amred ccmadmen if memory serves correctly (damn it's been a while since i used them)

stick them ina rhino and get them up close. their tought to take down and if they do die (and they will. Chaos lords below/above/whereever know you enemy makes it a point tokill a full squad of D talon marines) make sure they go down fighting the only way they can.. hard and brutal
 

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As said, drop flight and go with Talons alone being the best upgrade. Oh and obviously yes this is a deadly squad, sort of like Khorne genestealers.

To round it off I've give the free Asp Champion a Powerfist, a talisman of Burning Blood and a Banner of Rage (think about it, 5 attacks per marine with Rending...).
 

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The possessed squad of 10 mutated marines running around with "rending" is enough to have all fire concentrated on them, if then get up there (rhino is the best choice here) they will reek havoc on anything in sight including HQ's tanks if your lucky and temis dont stand a good chance agenst thiese buggers. I use them in almost every game i play with my alpha legion i had them take out Kayvvian shrike and his "winglets" in one fell swoop beacause they got too close. Those things smell fear and run towards it... now if they only had proper table manners...
 

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Actually I found the best set up up to be 8x Nurgle Possessed Marines with flight and AC with a Plague Sword. s5 and t5, can't go wrong my friend with a bunch of guys that will either hit on 3 or 2 against the standard types of units, and the plague sword takes out any high str dudes.
 

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I generally prefer 7x Possesed with MoN, daemonic talons, a free A/C, and a rhino. On the charge, each guy gets I think 4 rending attacks, with the A/C getting 5

And I'm not sure, but I don't think you can buy weapons for your A/C if he has daemonic talons or venom.
 

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Deamonic talons and venom count as weapons, so you can't buy an more weapons.

I like the idea of 8 posessed with talons, ToBB, banner of rage. since the ac can't buy weapons anymore, no powerfist. and with the banner, summoning my bloodletters will be easy:). stick these buggers in a rhino, and when they arrive, summon the deamons:D. twice as much distruction:D

but, shouldn't the whole squad have the talisman instead of the ac only?

and how should I tool my rhino? extra armour?
 

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but, shouldn't the whole squad have the talisman instead of the ac only?
If one model has a talisman he passes it on to any squad he joins, thus the whole squad does have it as long as the AC has it.
 

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The banner is kind of overkill. You have points enough invested in this unit and their number of attacks will need no boost.
They get a free icon due to the mark and that should be enough for summoning.
So:
8 Possessed
MoK
Talons
Champ with
ToBB or Rhino (x-armour and smoke)
...is what I would use if I were you. T
he Rhino will add some survivabilty but the ToBB will make them jump out from it. You could however use the Rhino as a mobile shield and have it block line of sight.

Units this expensive are best left at home unless you play bigger games then 1500. They have superior stats but they die near as easy as your average Berzerker and when they go they'll take quite a few of your points with them.
 

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Ageed. Why would you place a quarter of your army into one unit that is almost as fragile as the rest of your marines?

I was fooling around with the thought of 8 possessed with the Mark of Khorne and talons for the rending. They get the extra attack and they can put a dent into any vehicle. They become fearless. Also for the champion give him Daemonic Str and a Chaos spawn. Why? Because it's only 20 points and you can use the Spawn to soak up ranged hits. Considering that the spawn is cheaper then a possessed makine it's not a bad deal.
 

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I could be wrong about this, but I don't belive that possessed can take the banner of rage. Chosen are the only units that can carry a banner or icon, other then the basic free one provided by having a mark.

Although the entry dosn't state that it can't be selected through normal armory access. The special icon option in the chosen entry seems to indicate otherwise.

Again, I could be wrong, but i'm fairly certain thats the way in which the special icons are suposed to work.
 

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Daedelus said:
I could be wrong about this, but I don't belive that possessed can take the banner of rage. Chosen are the only units that can carry a banner or icon, other then the basic free one provided by having a mark.

Although the entry dosn't state that it can't be selected through normal armory access. The special icon option in the chosen entry seems to indicate otherwise.

Again, I could be wrong, but i'm fairly certain thats the way in which the special icons are suposed to work.
Im with ya 100% on the icons btw, Every army has thier own banner (including Undivided, that cool banner in the wargear sections that only undivided can have) and it can only be used by that legions "Chosen".

Fitting isint it?

Chosen, special banner....
 

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Isn't Banner of Rage just a normal wargear item, only available to units with mark of khorne? Sure, I know about the special icons, but this is a banner, not a icon. btw, it doesn't specificly state it anywhere.
 

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Submitted for your approval...

Chaos Icons
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"Any unit that bears a Mark of Chaos my have a basic Icon at no additional points cost. Any Lords retinue or independant unit of Chosen can select a special Icon from the Armory list at the points cost indicated." (C:CSM, P.12)

We can see from this rule, that chosen are the only unit type that can select a non basic icon type from the armory. Other units can have basic icons, but not the special ones. Not even IC's can take a banner by themselves, they need a unit of chosen to carry it.

Banner of Rage
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"As well as functioning as an Icon for Deamon Summoning porpoises, the banner may unlease it's special power..."(C:CSM P.47)

Here we can see that the banner of rage is:
  • an Icon for Deamon Summoning porpoises
  • has a special power
And therefore is not a basic icon, and then refrencing the point above, can not be taken in a unit other then chosen.


Now all that said, obviously I can't force you to not take the banner on your possessed, But you might have cheese called on you for doing so. It also might not be tournament legal, so you might wantto check that out first if your taking these guys to a tourny.
 

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i use possessed with flight and an ac with talons. the idea is just to take them across the board as fast as possible and tie up unites in cc so they cant shoot at my zerkers as they cross the board. give them melta bombs just for the hell of it.
i basically use them like raptors except they are much better.
10 LD, 5 str, 5+ invlun save. plus they can have mark of khorne for my world eaters army, while raptors cannot and they can have melta bombs.

so its 8 more points for a possessed with flight then a raptor, but possessed can have a mark so they get a free AC along with the aforementioned benefits.
 
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