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In the rule books they are placed as two different weapons with similar effects, but the thing that concerns me is the initiative penalty associated with powerfists. Does that apply to dreadnought CC weapons? You'd think that a dreadnought would have more than enough strength to weild such a thing without a penalty, but is this the case? I know under the old rules that CC weapons counted as powerfists, but the phrasing in the new rules suggests this might no longer be the case.