power wep scorps

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farseer_seele

Discussion Starter · Jan 30, 2006

i was wondering if this sounds reasonable- as an upgrade for striking scorpions, they may be replace their chainsword with a power weapon for +10 points. This, however, means that with grenades, your average scorp will clock in at just under 30 points.

However, this would be great. How many times have you wished that your banshees had 1 more S, T, A, and a better save? not to mention when combined with STEALTH you have a squad that actually will get to CC crazy fast...

I was just wondering if anyone else had thoughts on this. I was actually think that they were a wee bit costly. IMHO, a reduction of 4 points off the cost of upgrade, combining it with nades upgrade. (IE, you can get just 'nades, power weps and 'nades, but not just power weapons? also, this would make crushing blow a nice exarch option. (4 str 5 CC attacks that ignore armor saves... there is a god.)

maybe this would be better:
Shadow Hunters
Pts stats
23 rest of statline scorpion
Equipment: Power Weapon, Shuriken Pistol, Haywire 'nades, Plasma 'nades, Mandiblaster
Options: same as scorps

Special Rule: Shadows walk the line- Shadow Hunters are chauvinistic b******s, beleiving that banshees are "undeserving" of their power weapons, which they beleive should be given to those who bear the brunt of most battles, as such, banshees have gone "missing" and turned up days later sans power weapon. As such, any Eldar Unit within 6" of a Shadow Hunters Unit automatically falls back 6" away from them, and then regroups. Also, they automatically fall back from any close combat which Shadow Hunters join all allied eldar units fall back, and continue doing so with a LD -2 modifier, until they either a) regroup or b) are 18" away from the Shadow Hunters. crossfire rules applying.

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designer891

· #2 · Jan 30, 2006

Wow, all that just cause u wanna arm you scorps with power weapons?

I wouldn't want those things in my army, if all my units are gonna run from them. They seem more like a problem then something that will help your army....unless you play on a big table.

Xerxes

· #3 · Jan 30, 2006

I'm sorry, no. The Eldar Aspects are different for a reason, and that is to make their roles different. Giving the Scorpions power weapons would remove their "speciality" and make them the best all-round assault unit in the Eldar army. It's simply a lobotomisation of the tactical process.

And the fluff reason for it is stupid. Eldar society is gender neutral for everything apart from the Banshees (which is out of homage for their mythology), why on earth would they develop such a deep-seated chauvanism that means that they would kill their own? There's few enough Eldar around as it is.

karantalsis

· #4 · Jan 30, 2006

Scorpions with power weapons? Sounds a bit like Incubi to me and they are a retinue only choice, at 25 points each, might be somewhat cheap for giving an elites squad all power weapons, +13 a model maybe, thats still cheaper than the 15 points a power weapon normally costs. Thats purely from a game mechanics viewpoint.

From a fluff viewpoint I think its a bit silly, and that Xeres is right.

Captain Strong

· #5 · Jan 30, 2006

Those eldar need to start having more sex.

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Xerxes

· #6 · Jan 30, 2006

What was the point of that remark, Capatain? Please, think before you post.

Breten

· #7 · Jan 30, 2006

Xerxes said:
why on earth would they develop such a deep-seated chauvanism that means that they would kill their own? There's few enough Eldar around as it is.

Captain Strong said:
Those eldar need to start having more sex.

Just an assumption here, but I think he's referring to your comment about the lack of Eldar. :yes:

designer891

· #8 · Jan 30, 2006

Xerxes said:
What was the point of that remark, Capatain? Please, think before you post.

ya I think it was ment to be funny..and I agree with him

Sabe

· #9 · Jan 30, 2006

I was wondering if this sounds reasonable- as an upgrade for Assault Squads(SM), they may replace their chainsword with a power weapon for +10 points. This, however, means that with grenades, your average model will clock in at just over 30 points.

Sound reasonable?

No?

Didn't think so.

Even beyond teh fluff there is a reason squads have teh options they do. If you want your scorps to have power weps then go fight some plaguebearers or wraiths and pretend they do.

Plague_00

· #10 · Jan 30, 2006

hell no if you want a squad like that then go chaos and take a saquad of chosen give em all the champ upgrade, power weapons +infiltrate. we do not want to turn eldar into marines!

farseer_seele

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 31, 2006

Sabe said:
I was wondering if this sounds reasonable- as an upgrade for Assault Squads(SM), they may replace their chainsword with a power weapon for +10 points. This, however, means that with grenades, your average model will clock in at just over 30 points.

Sabe, check your math. W/10 pt power wep, and krak grnds, an assault marine would be 37, not "just over" 30 points.

but ya the idea is lame, i was just posting for opinions. Friend made this suggestion after getting fed up with his banshees, which are irritatingly weak. (yeah, they have power weps but w/uber low str its hard to wound anything, only 1 in 3 attacks will wound a T4, 1 in 6 a T5-6. also, heavy bolters rip them to shreads.

Mods, if you would be so kind as to lock this thread, preferably completely kill it.

designer891

· #12 · Jan 31, 2006

farseer_seele said:
Sabe, check your math. W/10 pt power wep, and krak grnds, an assault marine would be 37, not "just over" 30 points.

but ya the idea is lame, i was just posting for opinions. Friend made this suggestion after getting fed up with his banshees, which are irritatingly weak. (yeah, they have power weps but w/uber low str its hard to wound anything, only 1 in 3 attacks will wound a T4, 1 in 6 a T5-6. also, heavy bolters rip them to shreads.

Mods, if you would be so kind as to lock this thread, preferably completely kill it.

I am really not sure why u posted this thread if you thought it was stupid. It's just an idea no need to ask people to talk about then shut them up fast when they don't agree with you.

farseer_seele

Discussion Starter · #13 · Feb 1, 2006

designer891 said:
I am really not sure why u posted this thread if you thought it was stupid. It's just an idea no need to ask people to talk about then shut them up fast when they don't agree with you.

I guess I mispoke. I did not beleive the idea to be stupid at the time of the post, I thought it was awesome. unfortunately, the idea was horrible, and after others posted their opinions I realized how horrible it was.

That's not shutting people up. That's realizing your mistakes, foolish ideas, etc. for what they are, and locking the post so they don't continue to get posts on an obviously bad idea.

Cheredanine

· #14 · Feb 1, 2006

I agree with Xerxes and many others, you are trying to create something that does not fit with the concept of eldar aspects, the actualy mechanics opf poitns dont matter, if you want an easey army of ruthles close combat killers, play Khorne,

Viktor

· #15 · Feb 1, 2006

Bleh... is this some kind of house rule suggestion or yet another misplaced "new codex"-discussion?

Anyhow, it feels like you just want to combine the strengths of banshees and scorpions. Are specialized units just too difficult to handle? When you need power weapons, take banshees.

Tenozuma

· #16 · Feb 2, 2006

What you want sounds alot like Incubi, they are essentially scorpions with power weapons but with a higher weapon skill instead of the stealth ability. So, maybe you like dark eldar, just making a suggestion.

farseer_seele

Discussion Starter · #17 · Feb 2, 2006

i am considering starting DE, btw. and no, i can use my banshees (i have a small squad unpainted hidden somewhere), but i hate every single "aspect" of them. i don't like how they look, their fluff, etc. They look good on paper, and they are great against marines, my main enemy, but i still abhor them. It also doesnt help that i am a diehard scorp fanatic. (all scorp mech bieltan, etc, etc.)

designer891

· #18 · Feb 2, 2006

farseer_seele said:
i am considering starting DE, btw. and no, i can use my banshees (i have a small squad unpainted hidden somewhere), but i hate every single "aspect" of them. i don't like how they look, their fluff, etc. They look good on paper, and they are great against marines, my main enemy, but i still abhor them. It also doesnt help that i am a diehard scorp fanatic. (all scorp mech bieltan, etc, etc.)

I agree banshees pretty much suck without a decent transport. FoF doesn't help all that much unless ur rolling 4-6 and not getting shot at.

I think the scorp models are much worse then the banshee ones with those stupid tails on thier heads. Although I am not fond of banshee models ethier ... but mostly i don't like girls in my army. The old scorp models were bad ass, they were just too skinny for having 3+ armor. they should remake those orginals but make them buffer and more poses.

Andusciassus

· #19 · Feb 2, 2006

farseer_seele said:
i can use my banshees (i have a small squad unpainted hidden somewhere), but i hate every single "aspect" of them. i don't like how they look, their fluff, etc.

To me this sounds like a great opportunity for some serious converting, rewritten-homemade fluff and finally a dosis of "counts as"-rule.

In other aspects of the discussion I get the same vibes as I get from the "why can't Obliterators have a mark of chaos"-threads that pop up every once in a while.

It is your hobby and your arm, use some of your imagination too.

Viktor

· #20 · Feb 2, 2006

No one is forcing you to use banshees, stick to your scorps and use Fire Dragons to bust marines then. :yes:

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